Where is the need for law to come in in deciding how much cloth must remain with the tailor. It is individual's choice how much to buy, use or discard, of course till the point, it is not making a scene of self. Of course "Respect" is not a commodity available on-shelf for sale, it certainly requires to be earned while it is our conduct that provides the opportunity. Dress, attire, behavior, sense of responsibility etc.... conduct us towards achieving, in normal circumstances. Of course a naked person in a private car stands better chances to get away unnoticed compared to a pedestrian or cyclist.
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Ravindra Sharma, Managing Consultant, CHEF-India
| 03 08 2010 09:09:53 +0000
Attire is not the Devil. The Devil resides in the minds of evil doers. At the same time a dress code for work needs to be specified for all employees regardless of gender. Respect it not paid to an attire but to a person. What has happened in the recent past is that while we claim to have a rich cultural past, we have become too materialistic and have forgotten how to respect our seniors, peers and women.
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Ajay Chaudhari, Chief Executive Officer, Adroit Consultants
| 06 11 2009 15:11:24 +0000
The Correct termanology would be " Law Should Not be enforced to the Attire of the Women".... I believe women should be independent to choose whatever they wear, because that is freedom of thought. Also it is your thought that makes you different not some so called western influence.... in west their may be "Playboy" but the playmates are still respected part of the society. The barrier in our society is the way we have evloved! why should a Women be punished for her attire? but not the tormentor be punished for his/her torment?...... Believe me even if you have covered a Women from top to bottom but still the one who has an eye for blood never leaves a drop of it..... so if you want to change something, change your POINT OF VIEW... thats why its said that charity begins at home.....
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Dhiraj Wohra, Dy. Manager, Centum Learning Ltd
| 06 10 2009 18:47:04 +0000
I agree with all of Meenal's propositions...., but atrocities n awkwardness and affliction caused to women is not the only result of the so called COOL DUDEs ! there is a certain category of "gimme a GAZE" lasses or women or somewhat seeking ones in every sector and field who all let their nails fall making rest of other women given with goodness and grace stretch with atrocities. At times, the situation is like that of someone breaking someone else's window with a crickect ball and the other one made a scapegoat. let me please be clear that i am not demeaning women, we have them at home we respect, look and live upto but we just can not sideline men and a bunch of them as COOL DUDEs pelting Atrocities on women. the only unhappy lot is the majority is found among males and majorly that is from where most of the Atrocities hail !!!!
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kausar kalam, Senior Consultant, Recruitment Agency
| 06 10 2009 12:37:27 +0000
If we see the response for this topic, within 3 days, we have received360 referralsand 99 views. So this is a hot topic. I think we should consider concluding this debate as quickly. A law on how women dress is impossible. Let us not discuss it any more. When it comes to dress code, we have come across many institutions imposing it already. We even stipulate dress code for parties, events etc. Corporates have a dress code too. So wherever possible, it is being imposed. In a public place, however, no such code can be imposed. If we consider that the topic was for a voluntary code and if this debate has to influence people to follow a code themselves or not, I think they have lot of material to choose from and decide. Please remember what I have stated in my earlier response. The future generation will show. They will demonstrate that they dont care. And they are a majority. There is one very important guideline for a youngster. He could start networking and build contact right from his school/college days. This helps him/her in future. A youngster can develop his/her own personality but making him/her conservative in dress is like depriving him/her of the networking capability. If the youngster is isolated, and finds himself/herself fish out of water, (please remember that the other side is a majority), his/her development and growth potential may get hampered. My suggestion is that we could encourage our youngsters to be romans while in rome!!
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SR Sham Sunder, CEO/MD/Director Technoaid
| 06 10 2009 10:16:56 +0000
Mr. Nagarajan, Why do we blame women and their attire for atrocities?? Is it that we men are so weak that a little skin show and we just lose control on ourselves?? Why blame it on women when we are weak to the extent of being so easily enticed?? enforcing laws in attire is going to the extent of admitting that we are not men enough to accept the fact that women are a beautiful species who is capable of giving life another generation to live! Why cant we respect that and look at women a little more respectfully?? We are not a weak species so please avoid words like rape, atrocity etc because we are the ones who inflict such gruesome pain on women!! Its so lame....
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Makrand Bhave, Marketing & MICE, WIZCRAFT International
| 06 10 2009 08:27:25 +0000
I would beg to differ on this point coz I don't feel, if there is a dress code for women, there will be less atrocities. Even if women wear a decent dress, they are not spared of the comments or eve teasing from so called 'COOL DUDES'... Atrocities happen not because of kind of attire a women wears, they happen coz of mentality men have towards women...If they can't stop themselves, they should be abide by law and not women...
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Meenal Gupta, Recruitment Executive, Spectrum Consultants India Pvt. Ltd
| 06 10 2009 07:34:26 +0000
no law for attire of a man or woman :::: a king was passing by completely naked::: every body was singing hymns in the praise of king:: a little kid told his dad :: hey dad the king is naked ::: the king overheard :: the kid was put to death:: moral : hamam mein hum sab nange hain :: but it's better to keep our mouth shut.
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Ajay Ziz, Dy. Registrar,, University of Jammu
| 06 10 2009 04:51:22 +0000
In a democratic country like India, it would seem ridiculous to enforce a law to enforce a dress code for women. After all, there has to be some difference between us and the Taliban. At the same time, it is the women who themselves have to be conscious of the effect their dress may have on men. The dresses worn by women should be decided by the occasion and place where it is being worn. Whereas women have a right to decide what they want to wear, wearing revealing or skimpy dresses can be an invitation to male lust. Though there is no justification to the laschiviousness of men, one cannot ignore that men are inherently lecherous creatures who are tamed by upbriging, education and the environement. Nonetheless, the basic instincts cannot be changed and any woman who chooses to ignore this fact does this at her own risk.
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Dr. Siddharth Varma, Professor, International Management Institute
| 06 09 2009 07:03:57 +0000
I dont think attire will make much difference in Indian culture--as long as it does not cross a feel good factor level. Well--I strongly feel I am very selfish when my country--my culture and my people comes--They are always first. We will have to save our things at any cost--but western attaire is ok--I will luv if I see african influence too.LOL. Crime is crime--in whatever form it is--against who ever it is--They should be crushed. Any ways--I understand people started deviating from post independence concept of hating westerners BUT I still hate that western things will influence us(Sorry--cant help it--I really hate them badly). At the same time--I hate those roadside criminals who disturb women and blame them for their attaire. Whoever will do crime against women should be punished strongly setting example each time--Someone's attaire does not give them licence to kill them or disturb them. Once again--I hate westerners very badly--want to beat them on every ground--will be happy to see them loosing on attaire ground too--LOL.
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Sayan Chakraborty, Senior ERP Consultant, International Business machines
| 06 08 2009 19:15:41 +0000
I don't think there should be a law on Women's attire. However, certain sections of India has grown accustomed to their cultures and beliefs that westernised attire appear to be a crime. With no offence to anyone I will tell you about my experience in India...I had no idea what kind of clothing I had to wear,I arrived in India in the wee hours of the morning, so in the morning (sunday) I wore a short pants and a sleeveless top for breakfast and never forgot the stare I got. Another day I went to a dinner and had to wear a coat over my evening gown. Thanks for the referral Yogendra.
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Devi Kaladeen, Audit Manager, Health Sector Development Unit
| 06 08 2009 18:43:08 +0000
I strongly believe in the fact that any civilised society; gives unchallenged right to every individual to make choice. Whether the choice is about religion, faith, occupation / profession, lifepartner..... And every democracy has given basic fundamental constitutional right to each individual to do the same. The only boundary that we can see in this is the socio-cultural background of the individual. How much comfortable she is; in wearing the kind of attire she chooses, the cultural and social settings where in she operates. Its about group norms. Also, its about how you carry your self, what kind of body Language you present by wearing the western outfit. Its all in the mind. today if someone says we need law to restrict; what women should wear ? should wake up; the medieval times are gone. Today women are as powerful as men in every sphere of life. Or even more stronger than ever before. Ultimately what makes them feel confident and comfortable its their choice whether traditional / western.
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Ashraf Kazi, HR Executive, IBM India Pvt Ltd
| 06 08 2009 13:18:02 +0000
Enforcing a law in a democratic country like India is similarly to writing 2 or 3 line or a para in a 2000 pages book. It is easy to create a law, but its implement is somewhat next to the impossible in a billion people country like India. You cannot enforce any law in the individuals mind setup. Forming a law to the attire of the Women will be beneficial for politicians and beuraucrats. It can be a point for debate or a vote gaining concept for politicians only, but I do not think that it will at all help Womens.
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Dinesh Raghav, Pre-Press Executive, Eli Research
| 06 08 2009 11:15:51 +0000
As said that "Law cannot be enforced to the attire of the women" This is very true in both the categories (Men or Women) nobody can bother to any individual to wear any specific attire however the person should know what to bear at what time. There is an example... it happened in Delhi. There was a lady wearing some uneasy attire walking in street at 2.00 AM once the cops ask her about the security & advised not to walk alone in late night. She got angry because she was the daughter of a General Secretary & the cops got transferred. The Moral of the story is that “You cannt help” it depends on individual to individual. There should not be any law however individual should be conscious what should be wear at what time.
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Mahesh Chandra, Sr. Resource Manager-Recruitment, Anlage Infotech (India) Pvt Ltd
| 06 08 2009 11:08:31 +0000
"I never expected to see the day when girls would get sunburned in the places they now do." - Will Rogers What may be right for one may be wrong to the other - but as long as one persons' right is not causing any direct harm to another person - the policy of acceptance needs to be followed. Actually - That sounds quite vague. Well, in straight terms what a woman wears is her Business. Do we need a law to decide what one should wear or not wear.By the way which way are we going - at this rate pretty soon we will land on Aurangazebs door step. People who talk about Indian culture being not this or not that dont know what Indian Culture is about. Or, they are considering the situation existing in India in the the 18th Century- which in itself was the result of heavy Victorian / Moghul Influence, as a Benchmark of Indian Culture. At various points in our History we have been influenced by the prevalent mores of that period. The uniqueness of Indian Culture is that it is so open. We accept external influences and we have survived , thrived on these influences and excelled. Now , cut to the present - there is an anti Western Influence - mindset which is spreading. Perfectly fine , one tends to get bored and anyway Western influence is slowly giving way to the Oriental influence - if one goes by the latest attires that are shown in some Western Fashion events. We are talking about waxing and waning of influences - but requiring the highest authorities in India to sit and discuss on what dress a woman should wear - reeks of a different kind of Influence. The Religio - Clerical influence. the kind of influence that we see growing in amongst our Near Neighbours. Who wants that? I really beleive that the Dignitories who had made the consitution had enough foresight to overlook such petty preferences of the individuals. guess the Indian Constituation
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Prakash Francis, Director, Enterprise Hiring Solutions
| 06 08 2009 10:30:46 +0000
The very first question which arose in my mind was "How will this type of law help in minimizing the problems women face in India?; Will this help in minimizing eve teasing, rape cases, female trafficking etc?" The answer is big NO...then why enforcing such a law in a democratic country like India and why taking away the freedom of Indian women to chose what they want to wear...
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Meenal Gupta, Recruitment Executive, Spectrum Consultants India Pvt. Ltd
| 06 08 2009 10:22:46 +0000
We are living in a democratic country and how can we talk about stealing the right of decision of women. On one hand we are talking about women liberalisation and trying to pose the world how broad minded we Indians are and on the other hand we are trying to oppose the women's attire in todays growing corporate culture. The women has their own rights and we dont have any right to oppose their decisions.\ In today's world women are far ahead than men in the all fields, so why men are trying to suppress the women community by attacking them on these silly issues. These are some issues raised by the men who are afraid of the success of women Instead of forcing them back, try and compete with this fair sex through your performance and ability.
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Darshil , CEO/MD/Director, Darshil Cotton Company
| 06 08 2009 10:10:35 +0000
I agree..........but I feel the society in which we r living is yet not ready or matured enough to feel comfortable to see almost nude girls/women........once the society is get matured mentally to feel comfortable to see nude men/women there is no problem in wearing or not wearing cloth till that we must we guided by the society to avoid unnecessary problems.........
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Yogendra Singh Chauhan, Civil Engineer-Highway Roadway, AECOM
| 06 08 2009 09:52:06 +0000
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To an extend we could use a law to challenge the attire of a woman in public p laces. We belong to a civilised society but there are unsocial elements to it. I would like to quote the example of Dubai, a location burgeoning with business and diversity. In March, the governement passed a directive stating that men and women should be dressed modestly in public places like shopping malls, beaches etc. This culminated from an incident on a beach involving westerners which caught the headlines for months. This could help to an extent. The media specifically visual media nowadays, are bent on portraying scantily clad women in product advertisements. This needs to be restricted. Atrocities against women should be subdued with harsh punishments meted out to criminals. It is really horrible to see the sudden increase in child abuse especially girls. Sometimes I wish that the laws in India were enforced strictly as in the GCC and US
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Betzi Miriyam Kuriakose, HR Section Head, The commercial real estate company
| 06 29 2009 11:26:35 +0000
Agree with Radha, i dont think any women will support this argument if it affects them. Team should remember that we are working towards strengthening a cause. It will not be a man who will be at loss, because of indecency in dress, but it will affect a women. We need to understand the society we live in first and the place we use to travel and work. It is not the company, but it is the society we live in. It is very easy for any one to comment against a person, but it takes a while to set right things once accussed. The other side of the argument is that no individual should complain against fellow colleague, if there is harassment and comments related to dress because of open culture followed at work place. We as managers should first look into this, instead of debating what to wear and what not to.
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Raghunandan S V, Head/VP/GM-HR, First American (India)
| 06 15 2009 05:21:09 +0000
In India, unfortunately, we do not adhere to law unless it is slapped on our face. Fr example, the traffic laws. Everyone here in US stick to the lane descipline and we never hear a honk unless the other driver drives crazy. Everyone respects a cop and slows down by seeing a police car. That is how the country is so systematic. In India, though we are facing the problem of law and order, we do not care what the other person thinks or acts like. Women being the target for many years, still want to 'Imitate' the west. My question the the Indian woman is, "If you feel are equal to a western woman, do you understand the way a western girl takes on life and work?" Do not just wear what they wear here. It has many reasons to stick to our own dress code. A bengal tigress (I mean the Indian woman) can not eat grass like a western horse.
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Madhava Krishna, Analyst, Cisco Systems
| 06 14 2009 21:42:57 +0000
Just because one has the freedom, one should not waste it in anyway. Even here in US, woman never dress-up just for anyone or for fashion. First thing comes in mind is the comfort and next is the occassion. In India, just because, an actress wore an exp(l)osive, even a girl from Kashmir tries to wear it despite the snow. This is bad. Any man will not be provoked if someone dresses like a Lata Mangeshkar or Late M.S. Subba Lakshmi. Problem will start when the man's eyes are challenged. It is always better a woman hides the beauty and keep a man guessing!!!
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Madhava Krishna, Analyst, Cisco Systems
| 06 14 2009 21:35:11 +0000
Hi Meenal, I too agree that atrocities happen bcos of the mentality of men, but I mean here to say that, why should women give them a chance or an opportunity for them to comment or eve-teasing..events to happen. When a women goes with a decent dress, generally guys fear and step back to comment at them, instead that same women would be respected in most cases, if a women goes with a western attire, it is evident that, they themselves are giving a chance for the men to comment. In those cases, it is not the mistake of a men, but infact obviously mistake of a women who is giving a room for them to comment. India is a country where we have a great culture and tradition,we should welcome western influence in terms of developing a country, but this doesn't mean that Western culture should dominate over Indian Culture. Finally,We should feel haughty that even our foreigners are inspired by our tradition and culture.Hope that we shall maintain this respect forever.
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Radha V, Project Lead, Confidential
| 06 11 2009 03:30:02 +0000
When I was working in Chennai, I came across chennai girls (including muslim girls) who start from their residence fully clothed using even public transport. When they reach their destination, one piece is off and they freak out comfortably with their acquaintances too. They are back again the way they started. The moral of the story is that India is changing. A transformation is happening. I have a favourite theory. Transformation creates an arc - they way you extend your right hand fully and turn anticlockwise to a full circle, dragging inside whatever you can grab through the right hand. Whoever is dragged inside, will benefit from the transformation. I sympathise with those who are left out - both boys and girls - since they will be looked up as those unwilling to change. Tomorrows majority is of those who have liberal views. Our young boys and girls would do well anticipating the society they live in, when they are out of the protective wings of their parents and guardians. It is always the hidden, that heightens curiosity. This response to western dress culture will die down soon. There is no need for any law. In any case, India is a large country. You can not avoid or eliminate crime. Our constitution envisages punishment for crime and reform of criminals and therefore accepts that there could be crime. The government can also make sincere efforts but a determined criminal will commit crime. So wait for a transformation to occur rather than bring law to go backwards.
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SR Sham Sunder, CEO/MD/Director Technoaid
| 06 09 2009 08:27:35 +0000
With the rise in in the crime rate against women in the country, one can easily make out the reasons why these incidents are happening in the first place, and the attire of women is one such reason, and there is also increase in the crime rate against tourists also, where there were so many incidents that were reported. With even necessary action taken against the culprits the crime rate is on the rise, so i think there should be law passed against womens attire atleast for their safety, even though i feel there should no law but then just to protect women may be this will help, when every other things are not working.....or i ask other users to come up with other ideas like how can we stop such crimes??
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Prasad Rajadhyaksha, Assistant Professor, BIT
| 06 09 2009 08:03:55 +0000
I think we need to have a dresscode in place which has to be followed in the place of work. You can wear any decent business casual to the office and we need to abide by the culture of the organisation.
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Raghunandan S V, Head/VP/GM-HR, First American (India)
| 06 09 2009 05:42:04 +0000
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