What drives an organization forward: People or Ideas?

The strongest statement in support of the view that its the people who drive the organisation has already been mentioned by many of us, which is- that ideas are generated from people itself. I couldn't agree more with this because what the top organisations are really famous for is their ideas( of course the executed form) but then these ideas are the result of huge investment that they make on its people. People of different perspectives, people of different mindsets thus using their different sets of creativities for the common goal. Ideas are produced by people. May be the successful results of those executed ideas is what we see & then appreciate but then behind those immediate ideas there are minds of several people working innovatively & differently towards it. 

She any idea comes into mind after expirence  any idea is valuable when it comes on specific and required field which require to be indulge in that field hence when any employee comes or joins any organisation he develop idea about the organisations and field for which he has been recruited provides he gets lot of support from organisations to develop same..So when he leave the organisation he carries lot of experience and idea regarding company provides .So I would 100% support people than idea.

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In this world everything is inter connected. Everything is a creation of Mind Body and Soul. Without the coordination of these 3, nothing can be achieved or produced. so with right attitude and clear heart one can achieve anything.

Right attitude means positive ideas. Positive Ideas+ hard work= SUCCESS

Mr. Aravindh, Where do ideas come from?? Thin air?? OR People???

Ideas comes form a brain of a human being

if there are no human beings there will be no idea

In order to have a idea there a need of an activity to be doen no matter how small or how insignificant or how simple

Unelss there is person doing that activity there will no brain wave or thought process involved to note the process or to check the loop holes or to make the process better

Thsu Idea needs a brain adn that is only in  person so you need a person for a idea

The most important resource among all the resources is HUMAN RESOURCE We need people to implement the ideas, every person has the ability & skills within him to make ideas 

It's people who forms an organization and when we say People drive the organization than it means quality people would have quality ideas and w'd drive the organization where in we have got quality idea and people who really do not even have a clue why this idea and how to implement, than a successful idea also can deliver undesired results.

Mr. Narayan,

My regards to you too Sir!! :))

Classic Mr. Narayan (in his element I can see :)) and Mr. Dhingra, caught up on the smooth and suave expressions of Mr. Narayan.

If you read your comments, you will see that you are not tto far from each other at all... Both of you run parallely, seeming to meet but will never meet. Mr. Dhingra take it from me, you will never meet Mr. Narayan!! :)) Intersting debate. I believe that the lady who got pregnant with this debate should ideally come on the forum as well. And I would like to ask here who came first??? The chicken or the egg??

Or analysing the smart analogy that Mr. Narayan has stated... Sperms are essential for procreation, while men are important!! So all of us men out there, figure out Mr. Narayan;s idea, (incidentally he is a man too)... Its not necessary to be alive... just check the sperm source and start procreating... Classic Mr. Narayan!! Pray please tell us mere mortals where did you get this SPERM OF AN IDEA??? I am certain that its this sperm and not you that is carrying your company forward!!

Ridiculous right??? I find the comments by Mr. Narayan neither here nor there!! People will belch ideas as they have a mind, people will implement the ideas as they have a mind and people will take organisations forward because they have a mind!! IDEA is a mental activity and not an inanimate fantasy that can be plucked out of thin air!! Is it a bird?? Is it a plane??? Nooo... Its superman.... Idiot... Its an IDEA!! What an IDEA Sirji!!

Where do the ideas come from, it s from people! Without people how can ideas work? For an organization to succeed people should be encouraged to explore and bring in new ideas.

People or Idea cannot drives an organization forward. Because people inside an organization changes on a regular intervals. In that kind of crucial situation idea could be on the driver seat. On the other hand ideas cannot work lonely, you know why beautiful things do not have brains, same i.e., idea is an beautiful element coz it needs proper hands to use them in an effective manner.

Yes, very true, people drives the organisation .

Obviously idea comes from people.

Dear Harshita,

Sorry, I totally differ with you. Probably you are not much aware of the corporate world. The top level just hire people for bringing in creative ideas not normally bring creative ideas themselves, They just invest for the creative ideas and take control of the situations to see how the creative ideas brought forward by their lmiddle and ower level people could be implemented to the best of their own advantage or the stake holders at the cost of the lower and middle level people.

Dear Mr. Narayan,

You still seem to be in a fix. I still profess, unless people are there, question of ideas does not arise, as ideas are not produced by earth like crops, by oxygen, nitrogen or carbon diaoxide of the air, or by taking birth from see creatures. It is the people who generate ideas and also implement ideas. So, ideas are secondary in any organisation where people are the primary objects to bring ideas to fore and then implement the same.

Even if you see your own argument about nano car, you indirectly concede that people are more important than ideas who could implement the ideas to move the organisation forward. If your own example of nano is taken in to account, after all some person (a part of people) generated the idea of causing to manufacture a nano. The idea would have become redundant had people not been behind manufacture of the nano. So, both ways, people are important, i.e., for generation of ideas and thereafter implementation of idea to manufacture the nano people's car. So Tata Motors could not manufacture the idea, but some people working in the Tata motors could conceptualise the idea of nano. Again, for manufacture also, Tata Motors is not a live entity, in itself, but people behind Tata Motors only make it a live entity, who could manufacture nano.

So, the crux of the issue is that only people drive an organization, who conceive ideas and then implement also to drive the organization. You can however say intelligent and innovative people. BUT, that also means a part of people, in general term, working for an organization, who conceive ideas for the organization and then implement the same to drive the organization.

Quality of human resource is undoubtedly the greatest factor in moving any organization forward. Ideas do'nt come from air. People are the one who ideate, implement, innovate and transform the abstract ideas into concrete form that drives a business enterprise.

I think it was Henry Ford who said "you can take away my money, my plant and machinery .... but as long as I have my people with me I can rebuild the Ford Motor company." Without doubt It is people who are important. But I have a slightly different take.

I believe that long term sustainability of an organisation depends on having robust systems in place. People may come and go but having good, robust  systems in place reduces the ups and downs in deliverables. Yes u may loose some people with great ideas, impatient and mavericks but the overall gains are worth the loss,

Vijay Raut

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Dear Mr. Dhingra ,

I think all of us will agree that in the absence of people , there will be no ideas !

But are we debating that ? I do not think so.

I think the debate is about : do we attach more importance to people , or do we attach more importance to ideas ? If people did not have ideas , would they still be important to the management of a company ?

Tata Motors' Nano has captured the imagination of the whole world. Are we then talking about the hundreds of people who made the Nano possible , or are we talking about the concept of a small man's car ? The whole world is talking about the fact that for the first time in history , a car has been made in under $3000 , without making too many compromises. This idea has not be thought of for the last hundred years that cars have been in production !

The concept behind Kaizen is that everyone can generate ideas , and all ideas , however small they may be , are useful and important.

Dear Mr. Narayan,

Although you opposed the people part of the problem, yet the crux of your discussion clearly hangs around the people conceiving ideas. Leonardo da Vinci was a human being, a part of people who conceived idea. Naturally, he was not a mechanical thing, like a a lifeless machine or factory to produce ideas. Even machines or factories are driven or caused to be driven by people only. So, it is the people who conceive ideas and thus drive the organization.

Unless people of the organiszation are ablle to conceive or implement ideas, organization cannot move forward irrespective of the world's best ideas are put forward before the organization. SO, only people can drive an oerganization forward. Ideas are just complimentary to people of the organization. Helpless ideas bear no value unless people are ready to implement.

Dear Renne,

What are ideas ? They are the product of  minds that gives one a competitive advantage. What are minds? They are the thought processes of people. Herein lies the key to your topic. If you recruit the right people as Google did, you not only get ideas but also people. They cutting edge of an organisation is not ideas but people with ideas. In case the recruitment process is defective or suboptimal, you will not get quality people which translates into not getting quality ideas. Ideas are not stand alone. Ideas are not individual specific and they are the source of revenue. Idea generation is a collective teamwork dynamics orientated exercise such as brainstorming etc.  The role of the HR is in creating copetency for Market Leadership through recruiting people with a capability for ideation. Ideas are never a stand alone product but the result of a well integrated,cohesive and passionate team of people. Herein lies the challenge for the HR.

Regards,

John

U r right Renne! Ideas come from the mind of people

Only people drive the organization forward not the Ideas.

Only people drive the organization forward. Ideas merely mean nothing. Unless you have people who get driven by that idea the company will never move forward. We need hands and brains together to take the next step forward. Ideas flow all the time. But one needs a good team to believe in an good idea and move ahead.

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