@Konkan... This Link doesnt work... And anyways, i know you dont digest wat Zakir Naik says... i want to make you clear here one point that lets not discuss Dr. Naik, but Your Misconceptions about ISLAM...!

@Mir Arif:

Yes, terror has no race, religion or color. But some of my hindu brothers and sisters will not accept that. They say that the word 'muslim' (or minorities) means 'terror'. When hindus kill people using bombs it is called patriotism.

considering your uncivilised portray of religion whether its Hinduism or Islam

It is because of people like you who glorify religion that some people have gone mad. e.g. Osama bin Laden, Nathuram Godse etc etc

examples of Krishna and Prophet, do you follow any of those examples in your life,

I have never told anybody that I am perfect or follow any of these. That does not mean that those who follow these are perfect. If they had understood at least one page of their respective religion, this topic would NOT have been here for discussion.

you are discussing here about polygamy of Krishna and Prophet, this is 2011 where people are living without marriage, Live-in relationships, abortions, unethical marriages, in this scenario do you think such topics of discussion are of any use

Ofcourse these topics are of no use but still in this year, 2011, we have people who quote Krishna and Prophet to prove that their religion is better than what others follow....that is a dangerous thought, and that is exactly the reason for muslim terror and hindu terror. Honestly, you are right. These topics are not worth discussing but some people brought it up...

the way you abuse Hinduism i have ample doubt that you are a Hindu or a Muslim, you don't respect any religion,

You are right. I do not respect any form fanatic religious beliefs.

your kind of fundamentalists have only given rise to Terrorism,

How can I give rise to terrorism. First you said I do not believe in any thing. Then you said I am fundamentalist. A fundamentalist believe in something. Your thought process is not clear....please have some clarity in what you are saying.

people like you are only responsible for our suffering.

You have no problem with muslim or hindu terror but you have problem with people opposing hardcore religious believes. Shame!. Now - who is responsible for whose suffering.

dont spread hatred among the people, even if you dont believe in any religion you should respect it.

Please do not spread hatred by twisting religion based on everybody's convenience.

Dear Amit Pandey & Ranjeet Kumar

I have also left almost all the Debates, we should use our Energy & Logic somewhere else....... I request you both to leave this debate immediately, there is no use in Debating here any more, we are missing you on other Topic of National & International interest....

Thanks Mohsin Khan for your positive view.........

No, polygamy is not clear to Amit because he says polygamy is found only in non hindus. He is paranoid and is living in his own world.

@Amit: If polygamy is clear to you, can we move on please?

When I quote an article or author it is considered as 'blasphemy', 'dividing india', 'lies', 'insult','******* himself' , ' vulgar about Gods', 'non authentic source' etc etc

When Amit quotes anything, we should just blindly accept it - Double Standards and Hypocracy!

@Amit,

Dear, why are you accusing Mr. Munshi, Indeed, Truth is Bitter.

@Amit... Yes earlier unlimited polygamy was practised...

Then it was restricted to four only...

The Qur’an, in Surah Nisa, chapter 4 verse 3, states that a Muslim is allowed to marry a maximum of only four wives

In Surah Ahzab chapter 33 verse 52: 

"It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as hand maidens) and Allah doth watch over all things ". [Al-Qur’an 33:52] 

This verse clearly gives Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) the permission to keep all his previous wives but prohibits him to marry any more women except those which his right hand possessed i.e. slave girls. 

The Prophet (pbuh) was allowed to keep all his previous wives because no one was allowed to marry the Prophet’s wives (ra) after they were divorced or widowed as they were ummul-momineen (mother of the believers)

@Amit:

Can you tell me what according to you is self-realization?Are you a victim of Communism fallacy?Or is that you see life in mirage of Capitalism?Do you believe you can conquer the world through Optimism? Or do you think Hope awaits you in the darkness of Pessimism?An erred philosophy by Erraneous Soul will lead you to a pit, an abyss Of ultimate misery and No-return.

The path of Islam sets one on the journey to salvation.

God and his creation are two distinct things .

According to you(Not Hinduism) God and his creation is one.There is no distinction and hence you talk about SelfRealization.I would suggest to stop this fallcay and get the proof that GOD is distinct from his creation(I can prove you) . Self-realization is not gonna take you to your GOD by mere Yoga and meditation, You gotta Follow Islamic teachings to Seek the True Allah(God).

@Amit:

It depends on ones thought dear.

If you think that one marries a women for lust then i think you are yet unmarried.

Try marrying as per muslim law and you will come to know how difficult it is to marry a women when her rights are considered

@Amit:

Follow the link and please be a little more receptive...

 http://www.blainerobison.com/concerns/polygamy.htm

Thanx Ijas.. Great link

Polygamy in India

Polygamy was practiced in many sections of Hindu society in ancient times. There was one example of polyandry in the ancient Hindu epic, Mahabharata, Draupadi marries the five Pandava brothers. Regarding polygyny, in Ramayana, father of Ram, King Dasharath has three wives, but Ram has pledged himself just one wife.

The Hindu god, Lord Krishna, the 8th incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu had 16,108 wives at his kingdom in Dwarka. In the post-Vedic periods, polygamy declined in Hinduism, ......although it is thought that some sections of Hindu society still practice polygyny, in the areas of Tibet, Nepal, and China.

Marriage laws in India are dependent upon the religion of the subject in question. Although the Vedas and the Hindu religion itself do not outlaw polygamy, the terms under the Hindu Marriage Act has deemed polygamy to be illegal for Hindus. Only Muslim men in India are allowed to have multiple wives, since they are governed under Sharia law.

but it does not says Sri Krishna treated them as wives or had sons with them , he had only one son ,...

.....Yashoda had already one son, born to her the day Vasudev brought the black boy called Krishna, meaning black. Both the boys grew up as her sons, but they were Poles apart in temperament and behaviour. Balram, the true son, was forthright and innocent, while Krishna was mischievous and very cunning, always smiling and playing his flute which attracted the women of the village, who came to him at night and enjoyed sex with him.

Rugmini, a maiden of the village, fell in love with Krishna and they secretly met, went away and were married. Rugmy, her brother and Jarasandh, another powerful King, attacked Krishna several times; in the end, they fled to Dwaraka, where Krishna settled for good.

At the request of a Satyabhama's father, whose precious gem Syamanthakam was lost, but recovered by the heroic fight of Krishna, he married her. The two wives, living as neighbours, hated each other; it took all the skills and tact of their husband, to keep the two in good humour.

@Amit

Your coment --- according to all indian religions man takes birth untill he gets liberation  not just 7 times ...

Are you now talking logic here... It makes me pity your understanding.What is the way to get out of the cycle of birth and death."...???

Reincarnation is in Islam and there is only one life after death, Not Cycles ...!

Is there anyone who tooK liberation on earth till now and stopped to take a rebirth... "???

you are really great thinker...i m amused.

PS: Amit  Go and ask the children if they remember their past life...U may get some data  to cheer up uaself!!!

How long will you fool people like this?

"....we hindus don't go by word of books , but continuously develop the moral and spiritual standards...."

The Hindu milk miracle was a phenomenon, considered by many Hindus as a miracle, which occurred on September 21, 1995.Before dawn, a Hindu worshiper at a temple in south New Delhi made an offering of milk to a statue of Ganesha. When a spoonful of milk from the bowl was held up to the trunk of the statue, the liquid was seen to disappear, apparently taken in by the idol. Word of the event spread quickly, and by mid-morning it was found that statues of the entire Hindu pantheon in temples all over North India were taking in milk.

By noon the news had spread beyond India, and Hindu temples in Britain, Canada, Dubai, and Nepal among other countries had successfully replicated the phenomenon, and the Vishva Hindu Parishad (an Indian Hindu organisation) had announced that a miracle was occurring.

Many stores in areas with significant Hindu communities saw a massive jump in sales of milk, with one Gateway store in England selling over 25,000 pints of milk,and overall milk sales in New Delhi jumped over 30%

@ Arif ,

 don't keep repeating that false logic that synonym of this sanskrit  word is   "Islam " or "muhammad "  in Arabic  or pronunciation  is Alla or Illa, that is word play    , and gives no information that we know any Allah or muhammad   before islamik  invasion of india ,

Science is the Best Religion on Earth

It is flexible, always Updating, A New Theory replaces the old one....... Science is a continuous process of Learning & Modifications........... There are thousands of Scientists & People are involved in it... Unlike Only one person in Islam........ a Stagnant Religion....... No updating, No Flexibility........ No Modifications........... Like a Rotten Pond..............

whereas Science is like a Flowing River....... Nurturing so many people with its soft water............

@Amit: I dint want to takeup the issue but i wanted to carve out the True Islam with Almighty's help...I dont want to create hatred among us but to promote brotherhood... But dear you gotta learn to be little understanding...

I have ample examples but dont want to create bitterness...Take a look... "Now a Brahmin may take four wives in the direct order of the (four) castes." — Visnusmrti 24:1. "One thing mixed with another should not be sold, nor anything that is spoiled, deficient, far away, or concealed. If one girl is shown but another is given to the bridegroom, he may marry both of them for the single bride-price; that is what Manu says." — Manusmrti 8:203-4. Manu's decrees are regarded as inspired by God. Also, Lord Krsna had 16,000 wives, Lord Visnu & Brahma also had multiple consorts and Ksatriyas are recorded in the itihasas (Mahabharata/Ramayana/etc.) as having as many as thousands of wives & thousands of progeny. However, the immoral news is that Hinduism also sanctions polyandry, not only conventional polygamy. In the epic, the Mahabharata (of which one book is the Bhagavad-Gita), which is a true history of Hindustan (Bharat/India) according to traditional Hindus, the five renowned Pandava brothers were told by their mom Kunti to divide the prize they won equally among all brothers. Good advice…..but the prize they won turned out to be their wife, Draupadi — five brothers sharing one wife...

@Amit:

Your coment-Economic reason is misleading....:

This shows nothing but your denial mood of refusing the truth.

I must tell you that your refusal to accept will not change the truth.Truth blossoms with time and Lie has no legs to put pants On...

So cheer up and deny again...

PS:Increase your logical reasoning and understanding...

HINDUISM IS ALSO AN EXPIRED RELIGION

example:

Seeking to downplay the debate over 'Makara Jyothi' of Sabarimala temple, Travancore Devaswom Board (TDB) today said it was known to most believers that it was a man lit-fire, but there was a Hindu belief behind it.

"It is known to everybody that Makara Jyothi is a fire lit up by men at Ponnabalamedu and TDB also recognises this',TDB President M Rajagoplan Nair told reporters here today.

However, he said the board was not going to run a campaign to propogate that it was man-made as there was a belief behind it into which the temple board did not intend interfere , he said.

@ Nazmul  

"I have mentioned earliar, POLYGAMY is more in MODERN HINDUS as well as their ancestors...."

This is a total lie , I have not  met any Hindu who has more than one wife , if hindu does this he will be jailed , although there may be very few  exceptions  ,  but i know many muslims who have more than one wife ,

As par ancestors ,only some kings had more than one wife   ,  Even Prophet(?) Muhammad had 12  wives  , He even married a 6 year old  girl , and even married his daughter in law ,

and Most well known muslim in world    Osama  Bin Laden  had 6 wives and  26 children ,

I have answer of all these . but dear, not be harsh as words reflects,. Be calm and quite. I donot worship anybody yet am not athiest. I enjoy freedom of being human . I question everything authrity as science do. I have seek perfection but found Love and truth ,are only things on Earth I,suppose, deemed to be called God. 

I have enquired a lot and found , every thing that has beginning has ends may some last longer. Right and wrong are relative things. That which makes life miserable cannot have justified in one and other.

These are not religious preaching.Let your mind be calm and heart be pure and feel the divine.

 Win hearts not mind. Generations have past discussing whos religion is best. wars have been waged but truth remains the same .Our people are  fighting for daily bread  and for them these things are immaterial. We should use our mind to uplift them and I make sure no religion makes in your way.If it comes kick it off.

Let Peace and harmony be  spread not hatred in any form.

@Ranjeeth:

your comment..My question still remains unresolved...

Before we move ahead dear and i start answering your doubts, tell me one thing... Do you believe in one GOD which has no image and no partner... as per your religion ???

@Ranjeeth:

How God Created Adam from Dust...

How Allah Created universe,How he created you.

Allah Is omnipotent dear, Does he need any help to do anything.

Who made earth to have gravity, How are the other planets at the suitable distance as not to have gravitation effects on earth, How does a ship sail in sea,Who created MilkyWay,Who gives you food... Does this all need to be asnwered too.... Think dear ... Your book mentions that Allah has no form too.

Stop worshiping the idols lest you repent on that day...

@Ajay:

Your book is silent about marrying only One... only Quran mentions Marry Only One...

Quran:--- Prohibited for you (in marriage) are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, the sisters of your fathers, the sisters of your mothers, the daughters of your brother, the daughters of your sister, your nursing mothers, the girls who nursed from the same woman as you, the mothers of your wives, the daughters of your wives with whom you .have consummated the marriage - if the marriage has not .been consummated, you may marry the daughter. Also prohibited for you are the women who were married to your genetic sons. Also, you shall not be married to two sisters at the same time - but do not break up existing marriages. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful. .

A Muslim man could marry two, three or four wives. But the important condition is that he should be able to bear all the expenditures of marital life and should be able physically for polygamy. Allah says (Interpretation of the meaning): {Marry women of your choice, two or three, or four but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (the captured and the slaves), that your right hands possess}[4:3]. Most people beleive that the second marriage is because the first wife is not acceptable or she has some defects. This is a wrong concept. But whosoever wants to marry more than one wife should fear Allah and be just with his wives in expenditure, overnight stay, and housing. Allah knows best.
The reason is that the number of women is greater than that of men. If a man marries only one woman, a great many women be deprived of living a conjugal life and begetting children.  So the spouseless women might resort to what Allah has prohibited and fall prey to criminals and sink into vice.

@Ajay:

Now you are behaving illogically...

Answer me to this question... Does Perfect thing needs to be modified???

We were talking in context to your changing religion and God  with time.

I must tell you that Quran is not meant to be changed with time and it fits everytime span be it the Begining of the universe or end of the universe.There is no need to modify it.Your religious scriptures are already modified by humans as per thier will and liking, so those are tampered.

Islam Is not time Bound...It is Perfect. It is once for all and There will be no change in any Quranc Verse.What is Perfect is not to be Modified.

@Nazrul

You may be right, but we oppose Polygamy...... whereas your religion allows

Hello Ajay kumar Khaitan Ji.....

You don't have any kind of statistic or actual scenario, every time u comment on the basis of your commonsense, but that will not work in this case.

For your knowledge--India has an occurrence of polygamy about four percent of the Hindu population and about three percent within the Islamic population.

Please ask for more clarification as u r a modern Hindu........

@Ranjeet...

Dear Gabriel(AS) is an ArchAngel and he is not a physical thing...(Have you ever seen an Angel...?)

When Gabriel(AS) first came down with the revelations , he took the shape of a normal person(Human) and revealed to Mohammad(SAW)...Whole Quran was revealed in a period of about 23 years...

You mean to say Every Hindu Changes his Parents......... may be you know better..... we don't do so......

But I know Muslims, who have changed their cousin Sisters into Wives, I also know person, who married his Mother (Second Wife of his Father)..... the list is endless......

We all know Muslims, who didn't hesitated to brutally Kill BHARAT MATA and divided into 3 (Three) Pcs, Hindustan (Still Secular), Pakistan (Islam), Bangladesh (Islam)....

They Killed & Devided Russia into 8 Small Countries.........

Here Islam allow them for everything they want..........

@Gargi... I was clearing the doubt of someone With this misconception as pointed by you in your coment.

Thanks for acknowledgement.

@Amit:

Everything till now for you is a story... <I am not amused>

What pinches me is that people even educated can be dumb when brain is underutilized.

What does Your religion say about animals and disabled person.Can u describe here ???

Biggest Hypocrites on this Planet

In India there are about 640 districts. In each of these 640 districts the richest person is a Hindu. That is, a hindu is the richest man in each of these districts, it is not a sikh, not a muslim, not a christian or budhist. 90% of the problems in these districts can be solved if these rich hindus help the poor hindus. No, they will NOT help their poor brothers. They want foreign and christians missionaries to do that job.  And yet, they have no shame in fighting in the name of Hindus. ......hipocrites.

physical pleasure is condemned severely in Hindu scripture ,.....

There are so many things like this which is condemned in the hindu scripture and as well as the scriptures of all other religions.

Though condemned by hindu scriptures, hindus are having the maximum pleasure ......even their saadhus , sadhvis and swaminis are having pleasure.

ex:

I was in love with Govindacharya, says Uma Bharti

Bharatiya Janata Party firebrand leader and former Union minister Uma Bharti says she was in love with her senior party colleague K N Govindacharya and wanted to marry him.

"Yes, I was in love with him. I wanted to marry him. I used to chase him everywhere and I feel that he also loved me though he never told me so," Bharti was quoted as having said so in an interview to The Week magazine in its latest issue.

Although Govindacharya never told her about his love, he had revealed his feelings to party leader L K Advani and former Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh supremo Bhaurao Devras, Bharti said.

Asked whether she ever had a crush on anybody before taking 'sanyas' at the age of 16, Bharti said, "Yes, many. Now all those people are happily married. I am not going to name them. All of them were from the elite. I was an innocent flirt."

@ Mohan:

Lets Not go Far Away dear. Our country is so poor. So UnHygienic so downtrodden... Tell me one thing What is the majority of this countrty...Muslim or Non-Muslim

So who is unhygenic........???

@Amit:

your comment-Main thing is not that whethe one can write a new Sura or not , main thing is that No one will accept that , in a religion of blind followers

Well u just give a try creating such chapter... ok leav chapter create just one line as in Quran... Dont worry if you are true people will believe you.If you fail then Beleive in Quran or else Allah will deal with you ... He knows best dealings

@Amit:

Regarding the person with Disabilities

One of the most important Fiqh principles is that hardship necessitates exemptions. The example of this principle in the Sunnah of the Prophet  is his saying: "Pray standing, and if you can’t do so, then pray sitting. And if you cannot, then pray lying on one of your sides." [Al-Bukhaari]  

If A person is blind , he will not be a siner because of his eyes, similarly if a person is deaf, he will not be a sinner because of ears and so on..Regarding the person who is not having the mental capability and cant judge between right and wrong, Allah is the most Exhaulted and will forgive him God Willingly.Allah can forgive any one except who deny's him and his messnager and associates partners with hik(Mushrik)

@Ajay:

Your coment : tell me one thing that doesnt change..."

Your Thinking... is my answer

Request you not to create a mess over here. You are frustrated and need some time off...