What You Think....Can Science prove God?

It can. He is Omnipresent.

Spiritualism is different from Superstition

God is Omnipotent, Omnipresent & Omniscient, He is the Creator of the whole Universe, He is Present Everywhere from Zero to Infinity,  Not Science but Purity, Ahimsa & Niskam Karma Yog, Bhakti Yog, Rajyog, Prem Yog etc can get us God...

Due to the space limitation I would like to invite all of you to visit my web www.jecyees.com and read the published blog "Is there an end of world? Is there an end for humanity? " after reading the blog please continue reading the Hindu version given below about the God.

..I would like to add the Hindu version

o Aham_Brahmasmi –

I am God." Famous phrase often repeated in the Upanishads. In this ecstatic statement of enlightenment, "I" does not refer to the individuality or outer nature, but to the essence of the soul which is ever identical to God Siva (or Brahman, the Supreme Being) as Satchidananda and Parashiva. ..

. o the vedic aphorism "I am spiritual".

o Sanskrit for “I am spirit.”

My brothers and sisters kindly understand the form of god is Spirit.

Tat Tvam Asi

Hari Om

A thought came on Tat Tvam Asi . You are That. What are you? You are That ! What is that? That is opposite of This! What is "This" ? "This" is idam? This is inert ! This is body. This is nature. This is Apara ! This is Jad. This is perishable. (Idam shariram Kaunteya kshetram.... BG 13:1) You are what? You are different than "this"! You are "that" ! You are not Jad (idam- this) you are chetan (that). You are not body (this), you are soul (that). You are not mortal( this) , you are immortal (that). You are not Prakruti( this) , you are Purusha (that). You are not perishable (this), you are imperishable (that) !! Just a thought! Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B

----------------------------------------------------------- Kindly check with the priest at Siva temple that is he not worshiping himself and give you the sacred. When the scientist said the earth is global….the then church made the ruler to assassinate him. My dear friends kindly do not search in the dark. We are living in 21st centaury. All human findings are available in front of us …still any one insist that the rabbit I caught have two horns, none can assist you to find the truth.

Thats logical explanation of this tricky subject

We, believe that God had created the universe and man. But " man discovered  God " so man can and should prove God scientifically, the present new generation and the future generation will not accept any thing with out scientific proof. So it is a requirement to prove The existence of God for God to live in the future generations mind.  

Already answered that though that was beyond the scope of your original query, Nitin ji, reread my earlier replies carefully...

You say " Again you are leaving the main question behind. i was saying object creation means not the object is alive until the program runs. at the run time who is creating the object that was my question...also in real life when combining the humans who is aliving the object..."..

Agreed. So as to reiterate, at run lime there is a pre- automated process that is making the object alive, same is with human or any life. Life is created within a body or encapsulation using a predefined automated process and as we as a living being comes in the world we perceive and use their senses, life follows naturally as processes automated..

You know who created computer program originally so as to automate, same is the case with all automated processes in the Nature, there has to be some ever existing omnipotent form of cosmos energy, that created these automated processes for some purpose...

If you comprehend the analogy, that is exactly how science can reach nearer to GOD... GOD is Generator-Organizer-Destroyer in an iteration...so is its extension the sentient human being who mimics GOD through his creation in the minimal space and capabilities provided to him/her....

Nitin ji, i have read the article and you need to read between line to understand what i am trying to explain using an analogy... Presenting an analogy is not mixing anything.

Next what you are talking can also be explained through analogy, just like in Nature there is no guarantee of anything happening, same is case for computer system too, there are exceptions, even there can be run time error or program in memory or processes could conflict such that expected output may not occur...

How is an object created??.!! It is analogous to how any life comes into existence. This process is automated, it comes with interaction of different objects,(M&F) using different components and attribute,…i hope you can comprehend. We were not born because GOD directly manufactured us…

Nature has automated this process, (a different process for creation of a life of a living being and also for non living objects). The human being has also simulated this process and automated it using computer languages with appropriate syntax, compilers, logic, OS etc. which are all objects in their own right. Human beings are themselves objects of some kind and derived from some class with human like attributes and functions that is not the base class but derived from some other class with may encapsulate all living being including humans and yet another over that may have attributes of all living as well non-living and so on.

However, GOD is an abstract base class that initiated a template from which everything else (living, non living, everything abstract or concrete) is derived. What is difference between GOD and other objects??.. GOD is unique, does not have a state or behavior unlike other objects, so can not be initiated on its own.GOD is a unique class that can not be initiated (instantiated) so is the only exiting non-thing that can not be objectified… GOD can not be created or destroyed...Yes, objects derived from the unique abstract class GOD can mimic GOD to some extent but can not replace GOD… Science is a human being created tool that studies the processes and phenomenon of nature and subsequently mimic nature to invent, innovate or explore mysteries of Nature…

Nitin ji, Good, that you provided me a reference for comprehending object oriented paradigm, please go through the link again and mind map it for an analogy at reaching GOD as a concept.

It says<< Everything living, non living, tangible and non tangible that we can perceive have a particular state at any moment and also behavior, so logically everything including any software, hardware or anything that you can perceive is an Object… >>So, any software is also an object that may be aggregation of software components in containment which by themselves are individual objects.Now, you are asking a very important question which is different from analogy presented here. It may be analogous to how the cosmos works, the way your computer system including OS, compiler and computer program work.

Continued...

Nitin ji, By definition as you must have studied in oops design principles, everything that you can perceive including all the software and hardware are objects.

Objects can be tangible or non-tangible. One condition for anything termed as an object is that it must have some attributes, variables and may have some functions to interact with other objects is required. An object only exists if an instance of the class is created and physically space for that object is allocated in memory. So, you invoke a class to create an object. A class is typically like a GOD of an Object (but not the exact GOD).

Beyond that class there could be a super class, and yet another super-super class. The fundamental class from which all other classes are extended or derived, is analogous to GOD, that we are seeking. By all agreement, GOD is a template of all creation.

The compilers, the motherboard, computers, processors, human beings, animals, stones, OS etc are all some kind of objects (tangible or non-tangible). Science is a tool created by Human beings, it may or may not find the real world object creator in the near future.

Since, the endeavor using science is a continuous process as confirmed using induction theory till now therefore technically it can be assumed that it can find GOD at at-least to a very near point at some instance in the time line.....

Nitin ji, let me try to reply on points you highlighted, there is no conflict if you read between the lines:-

 You said:-

<<As you are saying about the senses while again used to identify the objects in the real world, and all the oops concept is about real world. if you are talking about a abstract class and driving the classes then person must know that writing the abstract class and its derived class does not make the object.>>

The crux of the query is based on assumption that conceptually GOD is real and not virtual, otherwise the query fails validation test, hence becomes invalid and therefore nothing to discuss.  

True, as you said, writing the abstract class and its derived class does not make the object, so does the base class that only provides the framework to work upon further for creation of concrete classes and eventually objects by way of instantiation, hence analogy of GOD being the base of everything existing (without being the direct initiator) is fulfilled.

You said:-

  “untill the program does not run on the processor. who is running the program is not the program itself it is the operating system so according to your point operating system must be god in this case. but operating system can not run without proper hardware configuration like microprocessor so where is the god in this concept. The next thing is you have to put the senses aside with all the logical thinking because science ends where the god begins..”

We live realistically in the world of objects, perceptibly everything is object. OS is also object, it has software components and algorithms that are also objects derived or extended from base class objects. So, is the microprocessor or hardware that you have mentioned.

All software and hardware are objects of a kind that have been architecturally designed using some class. An each class is an extended or derived class up to the point it reaches the base class. The exploration of GOD is analogous to our quest to reach and decipher the basest of all classes from which all other classes are derived.  That is what we call science and the exact mission of science is to reach GOD, though in the way to this goal we continue to churn out other inventions and still seem to be very far of from what we really seek. So, logically, Science is an initiator to the quest to know and reach GOD. Keeping this in view, Science is a never ending process till any sentient being has senses and a goal to explore and decipher the unknown.

Nitin ji, Science is what a sentient being tries to perceive or infer using inherent senses through experiments under various constraints and eventually accumulate as knowledge, especially about natural phenomenon.

Who is provider of inherent senses to the living being? Without senses would there be any Science?

In Hindi as you said it is Vigyan that is Vi –Special plus Gyan-Knowledge.

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Now, let us prove methodically that Science itself is a proof of God. An iota of knowledge is one step nearer to GOD, so there is nothing called tiny or micro knowledge. So, as the specialized knowledge increases you get nearer to GOD.

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As an analogy, in the spirit of science are “Vedas”, Hindus way of learning about known as well as unknown through knowledge created, documented and attained through some analytical and/or logical justification.

Absence of knowledge is only a trait of non living, which does not have senses to be nearer to GOD. If you have programmed using OOP (object oriented programming), you must be acquainted with a base abstract class which can be extended to create a next level of class.

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Analogously if you take GOD-Generator-Organizer-Destroyer as the beginning of everything that you perceive as existence in living as well as non living form through your senses then logically the base abstract class is GOD. Without this “base abstract class” nothing in this cosmos (eternity) is possible to exist or be created.

Add on more variables, methods, functionally extend and derive more classes so that different objects that interact in their own space with the defined and acquired capabilities interact. So, if human being defined Science and not GOD directly, still it is part of domain of GOD.

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By similar logic, even if day and night, revolution of earth around Sun and all other automated phenomenon that we perceive or come to know are basically reasons for existence of GOD.

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God is spirit, Spirit is energy, All spirits exist in the form of zero point energy. More research in zero point energy based on spirit, existence of God can be proved. 

Science itself is a proof of GOD-Generator-Organizer-Destroyer..Most global phenomenon and ecosystems follow the similar principle.. >> Why do we experiment, formulate theories, research and practically try to explore whatever is unknown (partially or completely).?!!!..Why has been our quest for creativity and innovation still intact since times immemorial.?.!!!.. >> This proves there exist some super omniscient plus omnipotent power to whom we are an extension and by virtue of that it motivates us to explore further and be creative till we live and beyond...... >>

A difficult question. But just go through the following 2 parts and see any conclusion we can have on Science and GOD

An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem Science has with God, The Almighty. He asks one of his new students to stand and.....

Prof: So you believe in God?

Student: Absolutely, sir.

Prof: Is God good?

Student: Sure.

Prof: Is God all-powerful?

Student: Yes.

Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?

(Student is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fellow. Is God good?

Student: Yes.             

Prof: Is Satan good?

Student: No.

Prof: Where does Satan come from?

Student: From...God.. .

Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student: Yes.

Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?

Student: Yes. Prof: So who created evil? (Student does not answer.)

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?

Student: Yes, sir.

Prof: So, who created them? (Student has no answer.)

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?

Student: No, sir. Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

Student: No, sir.

Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?

Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student: Yes.

Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.