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Bharatiya Loktantrik Yuva Bal

 
Created by : Ardhendu Pal, Technical Support Officer, Convergys India Services  | 06 28 2011 05:13:14 +0000
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In today's context where a person is witnessing a total chaos in respect of traditional values as well as they are seemingly enjoying the modernization, making them completely complex personality allover.

Still there are certain sections who advocates a person to be traditional whereas others want just modernization of the society.

Seems that we have lost respect for our traditional outlook and is considered as outdated, incompatible with the globalization factor. Allover the world we have witnessed many or maximum countries do respect their tradition and really enjoy being like that.

Ok I feel that I need to elaborate more on this.

Traditional Values of Respect stands for the old Aryan culture which was respecting the elders, teachers and giving love and care to youngers and be modest in the society for your age group people.

Modern Lifestyle of Exposure stands for the exposure of everyone regardless of age and profession to the drugs, alcohol, vulgarity, indecency, foul languages etc.  As seen in present scenario the school going girls take vodka in water bottle and use abusive and vulgar language. They do not bother about respect, law, discipline or any traditional values. 

 
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Traditional Rich Values of Respect Vs Modern Liberal Lifestyle of Exposure
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@Munshi, why do you take only a part of the comment - which suits you - and ignore the rest. I have continued that sentence and added "Why dont our newspapers report ......" , etc., etc.

And thanks for your compliment.  I do recognise that when somebody does not have logical arguments, he would resort to personal attacks.

I will not participate in this topic anymore because I dont want to get personal and hurt others.

Have a good day, Munshi.


By Raju V P, Senior Manager, an International Bank  07 01 2011 09:27:00 +0000
 
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First : What is modern liberal lifestyle ? and What is traditional rich values of respect ? How do they repel each other ?

We must not confuse values and lifestyles and when you say especially for ladies what do you mean.

You should always remember that there was a time that India was a liberal country.

There were women like Mythri and Gargi who had made this possible.

With time various invaders came in India and the scene changed. The Moghul rule is the biggest culprit who took away lot of liberty from women. 

Anyways back to the main question.. modern lifestyle never means that we loose our traditional values.. 

Unfortunately there was a different era when this happened.. two decades back.. Things are changing now.. People have shown lot of interest in Yog and meditation and religion and this too has become a part of modern lifestyle..

I see no point in differentiating these two ..

 


By Sulagna Brahma, Sr Reporter, Leading Indian English Daily  06 30 2011 04:42:15 +0000
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we just not apic just as western culture , we should be modern according thoughts but our culture should be nourish insteas d of surpassed of our ritual values
By kamal2247 , Legal Advisor, heigh court  | 12 30 2011 13:31:01 +0000
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Along with this humanity is what is more vaulable,All modern changes are not wrong..........all traditional thing were not correct........the changes takes according to the circumstances created so not fully but have to respect the tradition which is for the welfare of people.


By parimala.c.wagh , Tech Architect, freelance  | 09 30 2011 09:30:57 +0000
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By SHRIKANT MANOHAR DANKE, Project Manager, Phadnis Infrastructur Ltd  | 07 22 2011 11:12:33 +0000
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I am happy to note support score double than those who oppose.But I don't think it to infer true scenerio of society.Leberals will opt to be absent to even to wink here as they enjoy comfortzone.Then who can turn the table?Traditional value are poised to expire immaturely, as liberals are more allied together to make experiment with their lifestyle in agressive aspirational needs.


By Bharat Sadani, Managment Assessment & Audits India  | 07 07 2011 05:38:49 +0000
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Thanks Sulagna for referral. I am for Traditional value systems which are rich and gives proper respect to every normal human being.


By Rathin Deb, Advisor and retail consultant, currently as Branch Manager, Tower Infotech Ltd  | 07 05 2011 08:21:57 +0000
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Traditional value is popularly & generally refered for religious value.Religious value stipulated for code of conduct defined by Rishies & promphet in premier time.Feeling of gratitude,respect for rights of other are keywords.It was  discovered & disclosed after realising vision of civilization needs of human to be social.While it can be well accepted appropriate liberty enjoyed a individual for his choice, but excess linearism may encroach territory of functions of other in turn society. This can result in conflicts & clash that can lead to undesired destruction for social order when all parties loose wealth & peace of life. Same is true when human dare with nature. But it is not worth elaborating as being of different context.


By Bharat Sadani, Managment Assessment & Audits India  | 07 04 2011 09:31:05 +0000
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Venom from Suryanarayan for Munshi Ramchand

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You are right Ardhendu, Munshi is neither a munshi nor a muni. Just a fake identity with lot of venegence in him. He can divide south and east, north and west, bihar and bengal, and kashmir and kanyakumari. Let them not speak about Pakistan, they are here un der the disguise of munis and munshis. Good Work Ardhendu.. I support you, I joined RSS at the age of 10 years. I am a true Indian.. unlike these people.
By Suryanarayan Murthy, Asst Vice President (Corporate Finance), A Hydro Power Project  | 9 days ago


By AJAY KUMAR KHAITAN, Consultant  | 07 03 2011 06:57:14 +0000
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We need to support traditional values as its our own culture, and all changes from time to time are temporary in nature.
By Goutam Roy Choudhury, Exporet Manager, Betatex Chemicals  | 07 02 2011 07:04:00 +0000
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Raju Saheb, fair and reasonable !!
By Suryanarayan Murthy, Free lancer  | 07 01 2011 10:08:02 +0000
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Both are good in their own perspective if one chooses or influenced by that.Younger gen may like life styles and older people might like traditional values. Its the ingrained thing in our minds that makes us follow these. Mind it values and lifestyles are different.values are there even in modern lifestyles and olden lifestyles.hence lets not mix up with lifestyles and values
By Rajendran Mariagnanam Mariagnanam, Founder and managing partner, Braintrain consultancy services LLP  | 07 01 2011 07:03:58 +0000
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@Munshi, good example. Let me follow up on the same example. How many times it has happened to you? (you should have travelled so many times, correct?) And is it happening to everybody who is travelling? Millions of people travel everyday - leave alone in a year. And 48 out of that figure? Why should we always think of the negatives? Why dont we count our blessings? We speak of something only if it is bad. Why dont our newspapers report the roads which have been laid, the bridges which have been completed, the industries which have come up recently instead of just talking of things which did not happen? Hope you see my point of view.


By Raju V P, Senior Manager, an International Bank  | 06 30 2011 18:56:29 +0000
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@Konkan, I have not seen COSMOS or Reality. I will make it a point to see them. Thanks for your referral.
By Raju V P, Senior Manager, an International Bank  | 06 30 2011 15:30:00 +0000
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@Munshi, where in the world did you get the opnion that those who say "namaste baapu" will shoot. Just because it happened once? This is like a child saying I will not walk since I fell down last time when I walked.

Please remember exceptions are not the rules. I am seeing this mentality also oflate where we tend to believe that the aberations are the normal.

Is this because the news reporters are sensationalising the exceptions and projecting them as rules?

Can any of our members who are from the Press react to my statement?


By Raju V P, Senior Manager, an International Bank  | 06 30 2011 15:25:30 +0000
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@Konkan, I read your posting once more and I dont see anything which should hurt me.

What do you think is there in your post to hurt me? I gave my views and you gave yours. And you have been very honest in your views.  Period.

Apologies rejected since it is not required.


By Raju V P, Senior Manager, an International Bank  | 06 30 2011 15:20:37 +0000
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I am for traditional value as there is more security for masses especially ladies.


By Ardhendu Pal, Technical Support Officer, Convergys India Services  | 06 30 2011 13:19:49 +0000
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@konkan, I already tried and failed. When I was working in India, I used to go to office in kurta pyjama on Saturdays. Our Executive Director called me and asked 'enna maapilla maathiri vareenga?' (why are you coming like a bridegroom). Actually he is a very good man and I respect him a lot. He had his point. There are rules which need to be followed and I was flouting one of those rules. I stopped wearning it to office from that day.

This brings forth the values from our generation and your generation.  We are of the opinion that rules are there to be followed and if we think something needs to be changed, we follow a process.  In your generation, some of you think that rules are there to be flouted and if you dont like it, you  revolt immediately.

Try saying Namaste instead of a hi to your elders and notice the difference for yourself.  Some things cannot be explained. 

You have chosen to be an atheist and I will not argue against it.  I cannot imagine somebody who does not believe in a power beyond us.  It might not be Ishwar, Allah or Yesu, as we see it, but might be somebody like the parents, teacher, etc. to whom you turn to for advice, guidance and when you are in trouble.

Come on Konkan, you have made me sound like a very old man.  I am not that old, you know.  All the best and may God bless you.


By Raju V P, Senior Manager, an International Bank  | 06 30 2011 12:30:59 +0000
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@Konkan, dhoties and kurtas are not allowed at office because we have adopted a westernized style.  And my comment is about leisure dresses - not the office wear.  Baggies, half pants, armless t-shirts are also not allowed in offices.

Apart from this, do you see anything which is hypocrisy in my comments?  If so, please elaborate for my benefit. 

And I have not seen your comments for points (1) and (4)?


By Raju V P, Senior Manager, an International Bank  | 06 30 2011 11:39:50 +0000
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There are many practices and beliefs in the modern liberal lifestyle which are in direct conflict with the traditional rich values of respect.  Let me just list a few:

1. Whenever we see our elders, we used to do namaste, pranam to them.  Now we just say a 'hi' if at all.

2. The ladies used to wear a fully draped saree or a salwar and was looking divine.  Nowadays they wear the two pieces, minis, midis, etc., and look differently.

3. The men used to wear dhotis, pyjamas, etc. and look traditional.  Nowadays they wear baggies, half pants, armless t-shirts and look like objects of ridicule.

3. We used to live in a joint family and share everything with all our family members.  Nowadays we live in nuclear families and are very selfish.

4. We used to go to temples to pray.  Nowadays we go to temple for other purposes, if at all (I myself may not agree with this fully).

Hope the above four are sufficient examples to decide for yourself.


By Raju V P, Senior Manager, an International Bank  | 06 30 2011 11:18:56 +0000
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Because our economy is liberalized, the modern generation have developed a notion that they should ape western culture to enjoy the fruits of development, setting aside their traditional values and ethos! Tradition values guard them from every animosity and preaches morality, mutual respect, character building and above all how to live in harmony with others!
By S. Muralidharan, Executive Director, Knowledge Foundation & Campus Around the Corner  | 06 30 2011 07:59:53 +0000
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I,am of the view to think what`s more revalant to humankind,traditional rich values were checked & tested with then moderen times & now this is upto us for shape them for the future genaration to folw in the name of modern liberal lifestyle,they are going to amend some of the traditional ones which were amended before also by then generations,society moes like this,mother nature is changes,so we mankind have these traditions but animals,birds etc.also change/amend some styles with time to survive & pass it to next level so it become some liberalisation for them but in humans their were clashes,view points etc.because we can think & act timely with balanced approch.
By VEERINDER SINGH(B-P.VIHAR), Associate/Senior Associate, BHART CAPITAL SERVICES  | 06 30 2011 07:24:00 +0000
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Traditional values normally had built in safe guards against offending behaviour. So friction was often rare. I am not sure that human nature has reached a point where total informality is manageable. That can only happen when we get the ego under control. We are a long ways away from that. So, I support traditional values.....provides for a safe ambience for living.
By RAMESH KANDADAI, Principal Consultant, ARM Consultants  | 06 30 2011 05:34:54 +0000
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Traditionals are long lasting, while modern is having short life span. Both can be enjoyed as per circumstances. When you are young u value modern style, when u get matured, one realizes the richness, strength and longevity of traditional values.
By Nilesh Jain, Dy General Manager - Systems, A Leading Media/Telecom Co.  | 06 30 2011 05:32:50 +0000
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Nice post Ardhendu. In most cases tradition holds a universal truth in depth. Some social and religious rituals are perfect example of this. These are very true in their context, but violation of those only needs planned and necessary action to make up. Tradition is just a guideline if followed avoids an unanticipated scenario. Of course in some cases we need to modify the tradition in accordance with the changing society. But the criteria of modification should be the acceptability and tend to deliver a commitment to the society. Respect for the people, their belief and thought is however no far away from liberalization. If only exposure is liberalization then perhaps wild animals are most liberalized that too from ancient ages.
By Kaushik Ghosh, CM, Information Technology, OFB, Ministry of Defence, Govt. of India  | 06 28 2011 07:58:06 +0000
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By SHRIKANT MANOHAR DANKE, Project Manager, Phadnis Infrastructur Ltd  | 07 22 2011 11:12:42 +0000
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@Munshi, agreed and apologies.
By Raju V P, Senior Manager, an International Bank  | 07 02 2011 19:07:44 +0000
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@Raju - Didn't you pick a part of what I said "@Munshi - where in the world did you get the opnion that those who say "namaste baapu" will shoot."?

You too, have a great day


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 07 01 2011 11:48:41 +0000
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@Raju - your comment "We speak of something only if it is bad." In that case, we should not debate on any topic here because most of the time we are talking about the "bad" side. We should just say "Hello" to every body and be grateful for all the blessings we have - no debate, no topics because then, we start forgetting our blessings and start debating on what is going wrong. I did not see this attitude from you when you talked about M.F Hussain. You should have counted on his positive traits and cherished about how blessed we are to have such a painter. Instead you said "good riddance" . There are many more topics where you have expressed your displeasure and I did not see your "positive thinking" there - Double standards and hipocracy at its "best".


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 07 01 2011 07:19:31 +0000
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@Raju - I see your point.Yes,you can call a glass half empty or half full. My aim is not to harp on the negative but make people move towards better quality. If people are little more sincere and hard working(just a little more) it will make a huge difference in the final outcome, be it traditional rich values or modern life style.
By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 07 01 2011 04:04:57 +0000
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Modern life style doesnot mean events causing mental disorders are part of it. Psychology stipulate that 100/100 people chosen are neurotics and this is a severely painful malady. If in the case of a narcists neurotic this is causing severe pain he can be allowed some exursions to relieve pain of course even obsessional neurotics do have problems like this where relief comes only though bringing the neuroisis to an end by making it conscious which is an act of coitus. When the whole nation become like this the problem starts of even natural disasters. So the solution liey in proper development of the individual from cradle to grave. For this hope and rational choices are the only ways available that need be incoroporate in our economic processes.
By Mathew Cherian, Research Associate/Analyst, Western Michigan University  | 06 30 2011 18:53:53 +0000
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@Raju - if you still don't understand what I am trying to say....here is an example: You(Raju) and another guy are traveling together in a train(First Class A/C).All along you talk and you become extremely impressed with this guy - he will only sit after you have sat, he gets up each time when you get up, he buys you tea etc etc. In between, your wife called and you tell her how fortunate you are to travel with such a guy who values tradition and respects elders. After some time you both go to bed. Next morning when you wake up, you find that "nice" young man is missing, so are your bags including your shoe, your purse,phone and even your socks. Now tell me - what do you feel about this kind of tradition. Please don't tell that this is an exception or sensationalization by news reporters.I am reading "this kind of traditional respect" in the local newspaper 1 per week, that is 48 per year (i am not exaggerating)- this is not a child falling down and deciding not to walk, or any kind of mentality.


By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 06 30 2011 16:24:03 +0000
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@Raju, I am not that naive to believe that those who say namaste will shoot. I just gave an example where that "traditionally respected" namaste has been misused. It has nothing to do with any kind of exception or news reporters.
By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 06 30 2011 15:54:07 +0000
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I do not support either. I may not say "hi" to my senior or boss or whatever but I will step in if he/she has a flat tyre or not feeling well or in any kind of trouble. To me, that is respect. What is the point in saying "namaste baapu.. then take a gun and shoooot" - that kind of respect is a joke.
By Munshi Ramchand, Retired  | 06 30 2011 15:11:42 +0000
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@ Raju, I am sorry to have hurt you but that was not my intention, I would like you to read an essay by N. Murthy, founder of Infosys on cultures of west and east. I do not remember the essay exactly however, I have read it in the English syllabus for the Three Year Degree course offered by Bangalore University.

I believe in Science as I know every human beings life is recycled. Our life is a 3D hologram.

I believe in the old texts and manuscripts of sage and saints which explains the Universe in details.

You might have watched the popular TV serial way back in the 80s called "COSMOS" by Carl Sagan. Sagan was an Agnostic. He believed in an external power which binds us together. By saying that he did not mean God and Science is trying to solve it and they have to some extend.

please find the Documentary titled "REALITY" in the below link.

www.truththeory.org


By konkan SINGHA, business DEVELOPMENT, SpeechWareNet  | 06 30 2011 13:47:27 +0000
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Exactly Raju, Why it is not allowed? You have all the right to wear anything which does not provoke. We can wear dhotis and kurtas in the Offices as well. Try it once and see who stops you from doing this. You will miss only one days of Office if you are not allowed in. 1. What is wrong in there to say "HI" as it is similar to namaste and pranam in English. 4. It is your absolute choice to go to temple and worship for whatever you want. I cannot comment on this as I am an Atheist, I do not go to temples.
By konkan SINGHA, business DEVELOPMENT, SpeechWareNet  | 06 30 2011 12:08:14 +0000
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@ Raju, Whenever we see our elders, we used to do namaste, pranam to them. Now we just say a 'hi' if at all. 2. The ladies used to wear a fully draped saree or a salwar and was looking divine. Nowadays they wear the two pieces, minis, midis, etc., and look differently. 3. The men used to wear dhotis, pyjamas, etc. and look traditional. Nowadays they wear baggies, half pants, armless t-shirts and look like objects of ridicule. This is total hypocrisy. Look at yourself you yourself is wearing a western outfit. Why do not you wear dhotis and kurtas in your Office?
By konkan SINGHA, business DEVELOPMENT, SpeechWareNet  | 06 30 2011 11:30:59 +0000
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I am against Tradition which violates humanism. I hate the tradition which binds people to religion.
I do not understand whether people really know what Rousseau had really meant by this maxim-

" A man(child) is born free but everywhere he/she is  in chains"
He meant religion and superstitions prevailing in his time...


By konkan SINGHA, business DEVELOPMENT, SpeechWareNet  | 06 30 2011 11:09:27 +0000
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I agree with you Ms. Sulagna Brahma,

I quote below Tagore's Gitanjali here:-

"Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high;
Where knowledge is free;
Where the world has not been broken up into fragments by narrow domestic walls;
Where words come out from the depth of truth;
Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection;
Where the clear stream of reason
has not lost its way into the dreary desert sand of dead habit;
Where the mind is led forward by thee into ever-widening thought and action---
Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake."


By KALIYAMOORTHY , Oil & Gas Area Coordinator, Undisclosed  | 06 30 2011 11:02:59 +0000
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Tradition ?  Why should we carry this burden of  tradition and not live  our lives honestly,  with  moral values and love ?

Life is not meant to be a slave of tradition. Rather traditions were made to make life easier. Wherever those make life worse, those must be given up.

I think people should grow spiritually rather than carry the burden of dead traditions.  That is not to say that traditions are not of value. Many of those are valuable in carrying the society in the right direction. We should know what to follow and what to reject : for that we should have spiritual maturity.  


By Shyam S, Project Leader/Managing Consultant, A leading EDA firm  | 06 30 2011 10:12:04 +0000
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Actually want to adopt a middle path with a judicious mix of traditions and modern living. we are in the modern era, so we have to adopt to modern living as well. At the same time our traditional values need not be thrown away. they have to be cherished and adopted to the extent possible. You want peace in life No matter how rich u are u may not be happy. so we need to have peace in mind. being on the tradition side for inner peace will help. As the world is undergoing change due to technology and improvements in amenities we have to use them too. So modern living is also important when it matters. As for me i am a mix of modern living and tradition. The modern living breeds jealousy and hatred too. Being in tradition helps overcome these shortcomings.


By K.MOHAN , Business Analyst, Science Fiction Writer, Green enthusiasist,SELF-employed  | 06 30 2011 07:22:29 +0000
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As the time and Life style is changing i feel Life should be a blend of both traditional and modern values. Then only we can have a colorful balanced Life.
By gopichandan , Software Developer, Royal Philips Electronics  | 06 30 2011 06:02:17 +0000
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yes, it is very difficult diferentiate both life style, these life styles can exists together with single human being.


By K N Raghupathi, Shift production operation leader, Oil and gas contracts  | 06 30 2011 05:26:07 +0000
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