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Created by : sujit Kumar, Marketing Manager, Wipro Peripherals  | 12 08 2009 18:57:10 +0000
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its not exactly forced coversion, the christian evagelist are taking advantage of peoples vulnerability. if u r reaally into social work u must uplift people and leave at that. . but..

we are all too quick to point fingers at islamic and hindu fundamentalism. but when it comes to this, it all under he garb of socia service.

if ur really serious about stoping it stop any kind of discrimination. any kind of extremism must be stop, coming from any section of the soceity.


By Priya Varadan, Independent consultant, Self employed  12 11 2009 11:12:12 +0000
 
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Mr. Sujith

I am Christian. You are misunderstanding and hurting the sentiments of Christians. No Christian person is forcing to convert any religion to Christianity. As you said “Hindus have rich culture”, but no culture in any religion disrespect other religion as you are doing by using abusive language “These Christians “. You have no right to degrade any religion. Above all we are first human being.  There are so many issues and topics to be raised and to be brought into the knowledge of others. This website Too step is a platform to share your knowledge.  And not to raise issues related to religion caste, creed… you are only inviting people to start fighting over the religion they follow just to earn cheap points by getting thumps up & Down

At too step it’s not only the Hindus who logins. People from different religion comes here  & shares their knowledge and views(That’s beneficial to all).

I request you PLS DNT CREATE DIFFERENCES in human beings by posting such useless articles .

Thank you

Smitha  Allen


By Smitha Allen (Rover Holidays Pvt. Ltd), Tour Management Executive, Rover Holidays Pvt. Ltd  12 09 2009 10:33:56 +0000
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It is neither immoral nor illegal unless one can prove them to be forced conversions.

Whatever be the reason, it is a fact, except in the case of Mizoram every other state of North Eastern India has witnessed increase (marginal to drastic) in Christian percentage of population, which cannot be attributed to the natural population growth.

If Hindus wish this trend to be reversed they should learn the Strategies & Tactics adapted by the Christian Missionaries and practice the same, instead of crying wolf.

 


By M. Prabhakar Rao, Author of "Mayhem Of The Miserables!", http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/52075  | 04 14 2010 07:27:36 +0000
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Innoreder to uplift the society an independent organisation without having any connection with relegious objects can be formed, if so its real object is true upliftment of the lower class in the society otherwise it will be for the influence of the relegious activity.


By RAMANATHA PRABHU N, Chartered Accountant  | 03 11 2010 09:25:40 +0000
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immoral or not is based on the prespective to the one who has taken a new religion from some other religion.

its true that many congregations give monetary benifits to the needy. For this NEEDY, hunger takes a much higher priority than religion. If monetary support brainwashes them to convert....so be it as there is no other person to help this NEEDY MAN. its very easy to say conversion is immoral... but if it helps him live.. its OK

The religion conversion stories are quite abundant in India.. especially in the eastern territories. Dont know whether this perpetuator has a target to achive for more fund or some other reason.. but the camouflage is social work  or brute force 


By SAPTARSHI DASGUPTA, Business Development Executive , Johnson & Johnson  | 03 11 2010 08:21:50 +0000
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Smitha, , I b’live all of us irrespective region, religion r Indians. I oppose any kind of extremism coming from any section of the society… Hindu, Muslim or Christian, there exist fundamentalism, extremism   in every community,  and it has nothing to do with the faith and philosophy, let’s face it, the story is same, methodology differs.. 

 It is just a debate, let’s keep it that way.. we shud be able to discuss/ opose it etc.. pl . lets' not get the Mother into this..


By Priya Varadan, Independent consultant, Self employed  | 02 22 2010 13:17:10 +0000
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Sometimes some mistakes put a lot of doubt on one's credibility nd ability overall.

Unimaginable!!! :)

Awe..take a chill pill and Be a good representative..see what damage r u doing to self?

LOL, no one can really stop laughing at your condition.

Carry on..

 


By Sayan Chakraborty, Senior ERP Consultant, International Business machines  | 02 08 2010 02:13:00 +0000
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When I was in Hyderabad, I heard of it a lot. There was a lady who was divorced and used to run a little pan shop. Her shop was burnt and the next day some people from Baptist church came and asked her to convert and offered her 60,000.

They asked her to convert her children too and warned her that her shop was burnt because she kept bloody idols of Shiva and Lakshmi. We employees din't have so much of money to offer, but we did a little amount. She later told us she still kept the idols hidden behind the Christian idols.

This is what I have seen..I can never forget.

I understand there are many instances.


By Kaushik bogra, manager, IBM  | 02 07 2010 19:18:25 +0000
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Hey Leon,

Are you so worried about my comment here? Common, I only expressed my sadness..

Can't I be sad also?

Common, I mean gimme that right atleast, I promise I wont take money from missionaries.

If I take, I will dabate the way you want, And my children will automatically fall in line with you.

See I talked about future generation, not about pre independence.

I'm really not worried bout personal attacks,You can if you wish.

Inface I consider it as your right to attack me personally if you really need to.

Cheers.

Sarve jana sukhino bhavantu


By Sayan Chakraborty, Senior ERP Consultant, International Business machines  | 02 07 2010 18:20:54 +0000
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This is so unfortunate and Sad.

People can even trade religion.

The british have oppressed Indians for 300 years and industrialized Europe. and now their welwishers are backstabing the own people..and in exchange of money to poor they are trading their religion.

I do help my own poor countryment in small way with whatever I have and I am proud of my religion that tells me not to trade their religion in exchange of money.

Allmighty is powerful..And I will tell them who are in pain because of this "Religion Trade"...Please do not feel bad..Please do not worry..Please do not be afraid...Allmighty will take care.

Suji, Don't feel bad..there will be people who loves to score points by personal attack and still call them Higher EQ. LOL.

Anyways..


By Sayan Chakraborty, Senior ERP Consultant, International Business machines  | 02 07 2010 12:33:50 +0000
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Mr. Makrand and others , I know and understand what sort of post i have put. a quick look at this site would help you understand this.  

http://www.christianaggression.org

Ms. Delson, yes they ask directly in schools to convert. but it starts indirectly when they call first to clean church and check whether u r showing some interest. then they tell one final day, you convert, we will provide you new name, this much scholarship, worldwide network and whole lot. 

you may say its irrelevant for professional site but thats what i mean in the long run its your identity that counts. We had conversions since ages from Hindu to jain, Buddhist, but all of them were of same culture we grew with it.. But now something is happening thats not our identity.

We had dayanand saraswati proclaiming in his satyartha prakash against murti puja or idol worship, thats also part of Hindu culture, we had vivekanand and ramkrishna paramhansa, worshipping idol of Kali, that was also Hinduism.. Diversity is what we love but soft are we, and so we Hindus are attacked with such questions of irrelevance whenever we raise question of religion among ourseleves..

Finally answering to some argument that why still population is low of christians in India, friend i am talking about three regions only south hilly and NorthEast. and you can easily see how the population is growing there.. and yes these christian evangelists are not fool like other extremist, they take soft approach and try to enter slowly. 

 


By sujit Kumar, Marketing Manager, Wipro Peripherals  | 12 13 2009 12:51:40 +0000
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It is not only immoral it is illegal as per Indian Constitution, you are free to choose your religion but you shall not be forced or influenced by any factors to get converted to other relegion. If such activities are taking place any where in India you have every right to object it before any constitutional courts. Indians are predominently Hindus, other communities are more interested in converting Indian Hindus to their relegion. For this lot of funds from foreign countries are very oftenly flow in to India.


By RAMANATHA PRABHU N, Chartered Accountant  | 12 11 2009 11:52:16 +0000
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Any religion which forces conversion is condemnable and i wont use the word immoral.


By kasturirangan.r , Consultant, videocon industries limited  | 12 09 2009 10:40:20 +0000
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Yes It is immoral, Rather than uplifting the society, they have sole reason to increase population of their own religion in India. Indian Hindus have very rich culture, these christians are turning those Hindus to follow their own culture.
By sujit Kumar, Marketing Manager, Wipro Peripherals  | 12 08 2009 18:57:10 +0000
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As of today Mr.Sujth you have more to fear form Islam than any other religion
By R.SANJAY GREGORY WILLIAMS, HR-Admin MNager, CItrisys solutions  | 05 24 2011 11:34:01 +0000
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Gud Answer Buddy

Mr. Sujith

R u free to create this type of Hyper about religion or getting money from anybody else to make it. U r alos looking & trying to get job in MNC that MNC is also ownered by Christian.


By Amit Bagh Augustine, Senior Engineer Development, Pranjal Projects Pvt. Ltd.  | 05 24 2011 11:03:27 +0000
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Dear Ms. Priya,

Am not using the name of Mother Teresa. By stating her name i only wanted to tell how she worked for the upliftment of the society... by helping nd caring the needy irrespective of caste nd creed.

You said: if u r reaally into social work u must uplift people and leave at that. . but..

It was just an answer to the statement you made...

But I think You took the another way.

I know to respect others.


By Smitha Allen (Rover Holidays Pvt. Ltd), Tour Management Executive, Rover Holidays Pvt. Ltd  | 03 11 2010 08:37:33 +0000
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mr. sujit baby , you are  really from IIT & IIM ..i doubt...skewed perception u have ..

i.e indian institute of tattoos and and indian institute of muthuoos..


By Ajay Ziz, Dy. Registrar,, University of Jammu  | 02 22 2010 05:17:23 +0000
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Dear Ms. Priya,

If you dont know what Christians has done for upliftment for people from all caste nd creed, You better dont misguide others. PLEASE !!!!

You Know Mother Teresa??? I think you really dont... :(


By Smitha Allen (Rover Holidays Pvt. Ltd), Tour Management Executive, Rover Holidays Pvt. Ltd  | 02 22 2010 04:57:32 +0000
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Dear Mr. Sujit,

 

The problem is not with the conversion in religion. But the problems are people like you who is not allowing to people to live peacefully with their own interest in culture. Each person has the right to choose their own religion. Its never done forcefully.

WHY CANT YOU UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE ENGLISH TERMS


By Smitha Allen (Rover Holidays Pvt. Ltd), Tour Management Executive, Rover Holidays Pvt. Ltd  | 02 22 2010 04:51:08 +0000
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Is there a difference between Indian Hindus and other Hindus. The culture you are talking about is because in the past I think people were more responsible. One day in the future u and I will also be talked about in the past tense and then I hope that we have enough good and rich things to be spoken of. 


By Ivano da Costa, Branch Head, Pheroze Framroze & Co. Pvt. Ltd.  | 02 21 2010 07:31:48 +0000
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People like yourself start an irresponsible issue like this and sit back taking chill pills. Come on man there are many more issues that need to be addressed.


By Ivano da Costa, Branch Head, Pheroze Framroze & Co. Pvt. Ltd.  | 02 21 2010 07:21:00 +0000
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Firstly this whole issue is overrated and propagated by people who obviously have a lot of free time. We as INDIANS have the right to practice any religion not because it is right in some people's eyes but because it gives us a source of inner peace, strength and belonging. Differences between religions are made by people with ulterior motives and something to gain. As far as forced conversions is concerned although i have heard of it i have not witnessed it, but i do believe that if a person can find a sense of belonging, moral support or peace whichever the religion why should anyone else have a problem. If any person/community feels that there is an issue they should have the guts to do something constructive about it. Make sure you are able to convince those who are being done injustice about the wrongs not through violence but dialogue and let them choose. From the posts of those who think this topic is immoral I have only to say get rid of your insecurities and concentrate on taking INDIA forward not backwards.


By Ivano da Costa, Branch Head, Pheroze Framroze & Co. Pvt. Ltd.  | 02 21 2010 07:15:54 +0000
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i am niot a christian :: but i know of a father / professor of XLRI ...ultra humane & patient humans.. feelig types .


By Ajay Ziz, Dy. Registrar,, University of Jammu  | 02 08 2010 09:57:36 +0000
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Hi Sir,

Thanks for the argument. This is the best answer to all the argument.

HENCE IT IS LEGAL AND MORALLY RIGHT TO ANY ONE TO CONVERT TO HIS OR HER RELIGION OF THEIR CHOICE.

WHY OTHERS OBJECT TO IT?

I request all the participant of this article, to pls stop it, further debating...

PLEASE...


By Smitha Allen (Rover Holidays Pvt. Ltd), Tour Management Executive, Rover Holidays Pvt. Ltd  | 02 08 2010 09:49:33 +0000
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We are a democratic and secular country. Every citizen has got a right to choose the way of life he/she wants and no one else got any right to object it unless he has his rights taken away. I was born Hindu and not by choice.Since I am secular due to the culture I have brought up and I respect all religious and their right to practice as they want without disturbing others rights.

Any one born on any religion has got the right to change his religion as he wishes and no one has got any right to object it.

HENCE IT IS LEGAL AND MORALLY RIGHT TO ANY ONE TO CONVERT TO HIS OR HER RELIGION OF THEIR CHOICE.

WHY OTHERS OBJECT TO IT?


By K.VITTAL SHETTY, Chief Executive Officer, MITHRA SOUHARDA CREDIT CO-OPERATIVE LIMITED  | 02 08 2010 09:02:19 +0000
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I feel sorry for you Sujith you have gained Knowledge from IIM but don't have wisdom . Have you ever taken upon your self to to find out what is the percentage of population in christians in India as a whole? I Think you should do that. If it was  forced conversion as you claim India was under British raj 250 yrs India should have been a Christian country .Well in your definition reaching the unreached and providing them Health care  sanitation , scholarship for education and vocational training to support themselves and live with dignity is force yes christian are converting by force . Force of love and compassion.


By R.SANJAY GREGORY WILLIAMS, HR-Admin MNager, CItrisys solutions  | 12 10 2009 11:12:09 +0000
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Completely IRRELEVANT topic to be discussed on this forum!! Are we professionals or propellers of religious commissions here?? Did not expect this out of you Sujit, you being a marketing consultant from an IIM!!


By Makrand Bhave, Marketing & MICE, WIZCRAFT International  | 12 09 2009 11:19:28 +0000
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Dear Mr. Sujit,

 

Greetings !!!

 

May God Bless You with Your Rich Culture

 

Thanks for sharing your rich culture with us,  I would ask you to go to church /convent school/ Charity Places, ask the teacher/priest/nun/children/parents who are from different religion. That ever we have asked anyone to change their religion. I Hope you know that there are many ways to increase the population of any society.

 

 

With Regards

 

Delson K V

Faridabad


By Delson , Sales Executive/Officer, Rover Holidays Pvt. Ltd.  | 12 09 2009 11:00:18 +0000
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Now see Mr. Sujith & Mr.kasturirangan. Mr. sujith has started inviting people to fight...

Good Indians!!!


By Smitha Allen (Rover Holidays Pvt. Ltd), Tour Management Executive, Rover Holidays Pvt. Ltd  | 12 09 2009 10:57:56 +0000
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