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Started by : Renne Sharma, HR Analyst, ABC Consulting   12 16 2009 10:17:54 +0000
Industry : Human Resources (HR) ConsultingFunctional Area : Organizational Development(People Management)
Activity:  166 views;  last activity : 07 06 2010 20:18:09 +0000

PF of an employee is considered the safest haven for your savings, but it would be so only if your company is honest with you. And at times it is best to keep a check on what is happening there. As most of the time we don't see what were the recent developments in employees PF.  And why I am saying all this here is that in a recent news one of the premier retail outlet in India "Vishal megamart" was charged for not crediting its employees provident fund (EPF) accounts to the extent it should. While as a customer of Vishal, it does not mean that the detergent you buy is a bad deal, but the fact that a well-established organization could be indicted, should certainly be a warning signal for you as an employee of any company.

So this made me to ask the users of the platform. How will employee come to know if something is happening like this. what are the flags that he needs to know if such situation persists in their organization, How can one track discrepancies like this in an organization? It would be great if you can share your views here, as it will help all to know what are the signs that one needs to lookout for in this regard.

 
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1 Cash flow problem
2 pf threat
3 PF should be more transperant and user friendly for the respective employee in practice
4 What employees should know
5 Check it online!
6 Have a closer look at your pay slip
7 Ask Information under RTI from PF Commissioner
8 Findout from HR if PF contribution is to Govt PF or Private Trust

Cash flow problem

idea posted by Renne Sharma HR Analyst, ABC Consulting

I think this is the first sign that should spur you into finding out more. You can spot this pretty easily if your salary suddenly starts coming late, if you see guards hustling people who want to be paid, telephone calls from people aggressively asking for their money or news reports of a cash crunch. And also signs that the company is delaying payments to vendors, suppliers, contractors, salaries, are important signs of liquidity issues. Liquidity problems do not mean that PF contributions are not being made but it could be an important flag to think about benefit remittance in future.

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by RAMANATHA PRABHU N, Chartered Accountant  | 12 16 2009 11:48:44 +0000

Every year immidiately on completion of financial audit of employer company, have look on the financial statement and its audit report, it is the auditor's duty to report on every financial statemnt that whether the company is prompt in remitting the PF of its employees, auditor will examine this statutory dues of the company and will report its nature in the audit report. Further he will quantify irregularity if any, in remitting PF contribution of the employees and the statotory contribution of the comany.

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pf threat

idea posted by sankhe jitendra h. Maintenance manager(electronics & electricals), eden furnishings(vasai(E),thane)

employees must have to check theirs pf account slip every month to month; so that they can keep watch on update

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It is the duty of empoyee,He take payment sleep from Employer,and and get pf deposit slip of pf dept.

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JAGO EMPLOYEE JAGO ... nice initiative, Every employee should keep eye on the her/his cash management whether it is at secured place like PF or in case of cash flow ...

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PF should be more transperant and user friendly for the respective employee in practice

idea posted by S.V.MULEY CEO/MD/Director, GLOBAL PHARMA CONNECTION-INDIA

Todays world is changing jobs very fast to grow faster for an employee and this PF issue is a really big threat.

The PF account should work like high tech bank account which ,once opened the account can be at the same city but the organization  and residential address is always new.Still the employee should be able to see his money safe in the account and growing with respect to the contribution by his salary and by the organization along with interest accrued.Even he should be able to take loan,partial withdrawals in case of emergencies which is the true motto of this fund.In 2008,it was realized by several employees due to recession.They lost their job and seeking funds from PF account.It was almost impossible for most of them to get this money due to non cooperation of their respective organizations and also by PF offices.It was really matter of shame with respect to this segment.

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I agree with you, we should have transparency in the PF. Many don't know how PF is calculated , they just open and finally receive what is given to them. So the employees should understand what is PF and its uses.

Good explanation with example, was interesting. :)

 

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What employees should know

idea posted by monika computers providing IT services, Vohra Industries

HI REENE SHARMA

How are you

i m sourabh vohra (director) of monika computers

well no one say that which private company is running for long time may be for 2 yrs , 4 , 10 or may drop after 6 months from the DOP but

well according to my knowledge and experience regarding this PF taking from any our past company is generally our saving which we take at the ending point of our work in our company

In 2007 only I also left the retail showroom with the name EBONY Retail Holding Ltd in Ebony i have worked for 2 yrs but after leaving my job in 2007 i got my PF after few months only

well what is going happen in present only we can think over them only and make modification on them only but thinking of Carrier of any company on which we are doing job is also depend on present only

see Ebony has 7 Branches when i got in touch with that organization but when i got resign from that company after 3 months only the name of the company from Noida Sector - 18 is completely wave off

now i don't know that whether this company is still running for more years so nobody can say that at what time does a private company will do the business

so we can do only these things

1. don't allow your company to reduced any amount from your salary in the form of PF

2. secondly take your 6 months PF from the company in any way and deposited to your account only so that at the time of leaving your company you don't have tension of taking PF of your entire working period

by doing this second step if in any case your company will be get locked due to any reason so your more PF will not drop in loss

 

 

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As an employee, one should know how much amount has been deducted against PF i.e. 12% on basic and the same should be deducted from the employee too

No company can play around with the PF amount as the amount will be directly credited into the PF A/C with the Govt.; if an organization has its own PF Trust then such frauds may take place but still it is difficult because the PF commissioner also be one of the members of the Trust

Above all, if an employee wants to be clear and know what is happening, please have a check on his/her pay-slip

hope it clarifies

Thanks,

- Mirza

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Check it online!

idea posted by Vishnu M. Head - Software QA/QC , UAEEXchange & Financial Services Ltd.

Find your balance online if its an epf. A sample is given for the state of kerala!

[http://india.gov.in/howdo/onlineservice_detail.php?id=511]

And here is a small tip if your organisation is an equal contributor, you are lucky!

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Have a closer look at your pay slip

idea posted by Darshana Sawant HR Manager, Leading IT services company

While most of us would look at the zeros of their salary cheque, it would make sense to study your pay slip that comes along. It carries the break up of your salary, mentioning major components such as basic salary, house rent allowance, special allowance, tax deducted and PF contribution. Check to see if a full 12% of your basic (plus dearness allowance and retaining allowance, if any) is being deducted. Remember, your employer is supposed to match this 12% and credit the entire amount to EPFO.

And nice issue that you have highlighted here Renne, its really important for an employee to know what is happening with their PF and other things in an organization.

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Ask Information under RTI from PF Commissioner

idea posted by PS Dhingra CEO & Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant, Dhingra Group of Management & Educational Consultants

The Government has given a very powerful tool of Right to Information (RTI) under RTI Act to every citizen of India. Why not ask the Commissioner of Provident Funds to supply information about credits affoded in to Employee's PF account and the reason for instances of no-credit, if any?

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Findout from HR if PF contribution is to Govt PF or Private Trust

idea posted by Sunil Attarde Entreprenuer/owner, Weasel Systems Pvt Lted

Assuming that PF deductions are made regularly from pay slip (need to be checked by employees). Organizations may have own PF Trust or Govt PF. First step is to find out where the contribution is made. Second step will be to ask for PF contribution status and interest credited. normally Govt Agencies provide PF slips late but private funds should be doing it regularly on annual basis. The validated PF contribution status slip is proof that employees need to look for.

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