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Started by : Pragya Kothari, Construction-Heavy, DLF   10 05 2009 06:56:14 +0000
Industry : ConstructionFunctional Area : Strategy Execution(Strategy & Execution)
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Floods triggered by heavy rains have killed at least 200 people in the past five days in Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka, and have destroyed standing crops and left tens of thousands of people homeless. At least 167 people have been killed in Karnataka, where several rivers burst their mud embankments following heavy rains and swept away houses. Authorities said vast areas of agricultural land, including sugarcane and paddy fields were under water in the state.

Officials said the death toll could increase as 5,000 people were still trapped in flood-hit remote areas, and rescuers were yet to reach many villages.  Almost 1,000 people have been killed by severe flooding in India this year, while tens of thousands more have lost their homes and seen large swathes of their farmland devastated, according to the Red Cross.

The big worry now is the Met department has forecast that there could be more heavy rains in many parts of Karnataka and Telangana region of Andhra Pradesh in coming days as well.

Why, even after so many floods, India is unable to tackle this situation effectively than giving all those relief funds for the flood affected areas, why not Manage it properly by having neccessary things in place to tackle these floods, where lives of people and Agricultural crops is saved.

So all you experts on the platform, What needs to be done in regard to effective flood management? And What are the things that needs to be in place to control the damage that is caused by floods?

 
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1 Construction of Water Reservoirs (DAMs)
2 Interconnected canals systems and pipe networks
3 Allow flood water to spread over vast land
4 Proper design of Flood Protection Embankments
5 Disaster Management Training
6 The rivers in India to be interconnected and regulated as per requiremnt
7 centralised river management auothority
8 Channelisation of water through canals and drainage
9 Create un-even surface in fields, grounds other lands.
10 from Sanjeev Nargund - of constructing tanks, channels
11 Stop constructing Dams
12 think about global warming.. an idea can change your life
13 Dredging of Rivers and Lakes
14 Canal Networking and efficient storm water disposal systems can avert worst floods in rural & urban areas.
15 Improve Public Address system
16 Construct shelter houses in large scale
17 Stop Corruption.. floods control willtake care of themselves.
18 papa kishtwaris - dreaded land mafias
19 Master Planning
20 Stop job security to stop corruption
21 Global Warming is the root cause of flood
22 controlling the havoc of floods
23 Small capacity reservoirs
24 River linking
25 DONT CONNECT RIVERS PLS
26 Inter-connection of rivers
27 MONITORING OF FLOW OF WARTER IN BIG AND SMALL DAMS

Construction of Water Reservoirs (DAMs)

idea posted by N. NAGESHWARAN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, M/s. KEC INTERNATIONAL LTD. (an RPG group)

When the desert in Gulf counties are constructing resevoirs (Dams) where even drinking water source is ocean than why the Indian Govt. is not thinking/proposing for this idea.

Low lying areas if fed with the reservoirs then the control over flood havoc could be achieved.

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by N. NAGESHWARAN, ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, M/s. KEC INTERNATIONAL LTD. (an RPG group)  | 10 19 2009 12:07:09 +0000

Also the construction of Dams not only store extra water for next season, it could be used to generate HYDEL POWER thru turbines so that power crisis in India could be over come.

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Interconnected canals systems and pipe networks

idea posted by G A Narayan VP - Marketing, KE Housing P. Ltd.

Make a large network of Canals and Pipe networks. Whenever the water has to be sent to another place that is of a lower level a canal can be formed and if the water has to sent to a place that is higher a pipe system must be formed. I am talking about very large diameter pipes, say of the diameter of around 7 to 10 meters or even above. Massive pumps would be required to pump the water up these pipes (more massive that the pumps at panama canal). During times such as floods the water can be pumped under high pressure. This network would at the same time solve both the flood and the drought problems of our country. A special toll road and rail network can be built on or on the side of these pipes and the toll can be used for paying the cost of creating and maintaining these network. This system would connect the Brahmaputra to the Yamuna to the Narmada and the Kavery rivers – East to West to North to South of the country. This also would create a very good employment and business opportunity. Can also be used to generate power using micro power stations.

This is a very large system may be very expensive, but not impossible. We only need a great political leader who has a vision to think and execute this (Which I feel, we unfortunately do not have at this moment). 

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by A , Fire Prevention & Protection, TATA STEEL LTD  | 10 13 2009 10:15:24 +0000

It is a good thought.

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by Jai Prakash Pandey, Corporate Planning/Strategy Manager, Larsen& Toubro Ltd  | 10 08 2009 04:15:19 +0000

I agree with Narayan. Actually  it is in the same line for catering the imbalance of water resorces. What we are doing in some  parts of Rajasthan ang Gujarat ,where some times back there was scarcity of water and we created canals and dams and our agriculture was improved like any thing.It is like same thing that I have a Drum of water with me and I will be utilizing by making efforts ie sprinkling to some floras ,using for ours or let it be poured in the drain. We have to utilize the water resourse which is provided by nature to us. For any development we have to to experiments with ourselves only and after that we have to choose best of the results.

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Allow flood water to spread over vast land

idea posted by Biranchi Narayan Acharya Chief Manager (Projects), Simplex Infrastructures Ltd

Construction of flood embankments in fact aggravated flood fury. Because of truncated passage through river, the excessive rain water create massive heads along these manmade embankments when these embankments breach, it creates havoc. Thus the flood embankments should have been shortened so that flood water overtop these embankments & flood a very vast area all along the flooded river. In large area when the water flooded its havoc would be distributed & minimised. Further the land which would be flooded (maximum half a meter height) with very low velocity would be very fertile after the water recedes. Thus this would be win win situation.

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by Biranchi Narayan Acharya, Chief Manager (Projects), Simplex Infrastructures Ltd  | 10 14 2009 13:18:01 +0000

I am suggesting water to flood over all possible lands including human habitation, cultivated land etc. the pace of current would be very slow & height of water over land would be about half a meter. This is neither chinies model nor American model rather is an ancient  method due to which river valley civilisations grown

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by Shahnawaz Islam, PR & Media Relations Manager, National Institute of Smart Governance  | 10 14 2009 06:21:15 +0000

Are you suggesting that we follow the American and Chinese models of having flood areas where there are no human settlements -- implemented either by law or by paying people to move out.

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Proper design of Flood Protection Embankments

idea posted by Pragya Kothari Construction-Heavy, DLF

Atleast now they should give importance to Embankments and I think this is very important where the embankments of rivers are not properly designed, and when there is flood the water overflows and causes havoc.  So according to me this is very important in Flood management and the spacing of embankments and their alignment needs a careful consideration with respect to their vulnerability to the river and the rise of high flood levels on account of reduction in flow area and also increase in peak discharge due to the reduction in flood plain storage by construction of the embankment. Finalisation of the alignment and the spacing with due consideration to the above factors and at the same time optimizing the benefit from the proposed embankment would need considerable experience of the river behavior and then the studies of the effects of the embankments along different alignments.

In view of the widely varying nature of the rivers, no general recommendation about spacing of embankment can substitute the need for the above studies. The following general guide lines about the minimum spacing etc. are however given, mainly with an idea to check the tendency of excessive encroachment of the natural flood plain of the river.

There would be many other things which are really important in Flood management system, so let us take the current example of Flood and let us come up with some effective solutions to tackle this kind of problem in future.

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by Mohammad Bakhsh, Consultant(Civil), Rail Vikas Nigam Limited  | 10 06 2009 04:15:36 +0000

I agree with Pragya.In this connection i want to add that flood in near future will be a global problem with increse in global temperature.The main culprit is development and testing the nuclear power.Second,a number of dams have been constructed over rivers.The third most important is colonisation.The human race is in a hurry.The increasing pace of colonisation has occupied drainange areas and the fury of floods.We need Ayurvedic treatment instead of Allopathic one.

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by Anjali Bhatia, Construction-Heavy, Sobha Developers  | 10 05 2009 09:26:06 +0000

I agree with Pragya. The quality of flood protection embankments are very pitiful in our country. Government should take care to repair the damaged portions and should start building new embarkments as soon as possible...

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Disaster Management Training

idea posted by Charles davison Project Manager, Douglas OHI LLC

There should be efeective disaster management training given to Police/Fire force/Administration personnel/Armed forces as well as the lethargic Politicians.

There is now no coordination on crisis management and each one is doing in ones own way.

The \district admn waits for NGOs to do the job first.then comes police who are totally at loss to figure out the term HELP(you cant blame them) and the fire force who are at any given time the least numbered .

Its a pity that the defence forces come in only if they are requested!!!!.it should change. they should be at the place on default!!

PREVENTION is better than CURE.Here i am not asking to prevent NAtural calamities. but the canals ,dams and the design of the layouts and the  dams and canals should take nature into account.it should not be done opposing the natural slope and terrain. |This causes trouble during heavy rains etc.the water takes the natural course and nobody can stop.

Another is the ususal raga-All works to be constructed properly without cutting corners and swallowing public money.proper maintainence to be taken up regularly.

These above are important because...

The sad part is Any natural calamity is taken as BOON by the officials/Politicians -They can rake in the aid money.ITs lottery for them.

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by Jai Prakash Pandey, Corporate Planning/Strategy Manager, Larsen& Toubro Ltd  | 10 08 2009 03:55:59 +0000

I agree with Disaster Management Training . It is good for all the calamities  we face but we have to find out long term sollution of the problem, which we are facing every year. We should utililize the water resourse as cash before it is drained out in sea. Our country is very resoursefull in that. The rivers flow from Himalayas to Sea . In this span we should harness it's capability of water resource and construct the Hydro- Electric Projects to the maximum extent and produce green electricity . We face some of the side effects in Thermal Plants, Gas Plants while producing electricity but now we should think over Hydro, Nuclear,Solar ,Wind and last but not leat at Biao Energy. As far as the Flood is concerned it can only be controlled by balancing the water resource in our country ie by constructing Hydro Electric Projects.Modern age is age of Hydro Nulear energy.

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by Shabbeer Sheik, Management, AZ State  | 10 06 2009 22:52:50 +0000

Natural disasters are very dynamic. We cannot overcome them but we can handle them if we are better prepared. Every time a disaster strikes, everyone jumps up and down and starts screaming expletives at the government. Floods have not happened for the first time and nor will stop in future. Preparedness to overcome the natural calamities is first and best step. Each one of us in this thread work in some organization and have some voice or say in our organizations. How many of us have at least made a suggestion to the management team to prepare a disaster plan at the organizational level? There are several tools and resources available on the net and one best source is United State’s Federal Emergency Management Agency.  http://training.fema.gov/ They have excellent tools and even free on-line tests that give completion certifications. Every organization – local, state and federal government departments in the US are required to complete these tests at different levels. The completion is linked to federal, state and local level funding. At some work places, completion of these tests is mandatory. The idea behind is when you read and take these tests, you acquire the skill of preparedness. Not only would you be better prepared but will be able to lend a helping hand during crises.  

If nothing else at our current work places we can adopt these trainings and let the employees have preparedness skills so that when emergencies such as floods etc hit us, we are better prepared and respond as citizens. When citizens respond in well organized way, government’s role becomes easier. Getting back to normalcy will be faster and in a civilized organized way.  

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The rivers in India to be interconnected and regulated as per requiremnt

idea posted by Jai Prakash Pandey Corporate Planning/Strategy Manager, Larsen& Toubro Ltd

Because some of the states were in need of water as U.P., Bihar, Haryana etc a months ago and nowadays but Ganga , Yamuna have less water whereas Rivers flowing from Nepal are superfluos and water is simply drained out in form of Floods .Huge money is invested in form of flood relief where as this problem is forever. then why should we not regulate the water resource and manage it as per need.

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by Sunil Kumar Singh, Bridge/Structural Engineer  | 10 15 2009 06:58:35 +0000

Yes, I support that the rivers in India should be inerconnected and a check dam should be provided to maintain the water level. 

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by Biranchi Narayan Acharya, Chief Manager (Projects), Simplex Infrastructures Ltd  | 10 13 2009 07:41:01 +0000

Inter connection of river not only check the flood fury significantly but also enhance power generation & irrigation facility.

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by G A Narayan, VP - Marketing, KE Housing P. Ltd.  | 10 07 2009 10:46:31 +0000

Well, we need politicians like Sharad Yadav. By constructing this system we need not overload the dams and also not construct any more dams. 

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centralised river management auothority

idea posted by Krishna Murty CONSULTANT ON BUILDINGS, IRRGATION PROJECTS, CIVIL ENGINEER
The river management should be under the control of a centralised agency under central govt
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by Sunil Kumar Singh, Bridge/Structural Engineer  | 10 15 2009 07:17:46 +0000

yes, it should  centralised river management auothority.

 

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Channelisation of water through canals and drainage

idea posted by Soumini Soman Training Manager, IIT
Canals and drainages will serve the purpose to a certain extent. The canals and drainages should be deep and should be on the low lying area of the main residential and other areas. Instead of concreting complete roads, paving paver blocks on the sides of the concrete roads will be useful to seep water to the ground.
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Create un-even surface in fields, grounds other lands.

idea posted by Suneel Jain Art Head, Cigma Events Pvt. Ltd.

On the equal

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by Suneel Jain, Art Head, Cigma Events Pvt. Ltd.  | 10 14 2009 12:07:16 +0000

Unwillingly it was saved before completed. On the even surface flood water come and after destroying everything goes. If the surface is uneven than the water stay on low level area and people and livestock can save their life on safe lands. And the water absorbed by land and increase the ground water level.

for example if we create 1/8th portion of a park in low level like a pond and edges should not sharp it should be like a ramp from all sides so that it would be safe for everyone. This way the excess rainy water store here and it will not go to drain and then to river and will control the flood.

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from Sanjeev Nargund - of constructing tanks, channels

idea posted by Sanjeev Nargund DGM-Engineering (Equipment-Mining & Bulk Material Handling), Walchandnagar Industries Limited

It is impossible to prevent the floods – since we cannot control the nature. However we can think of a few options to reduce the impact of floods. These are certainly expensive options but it is better to spend once – rather than spending every time for relief works.

  1. Everybody knows that the water flowing from high altitude to low results in flood – when it does not get cleared in time or in other words if inflow is more than outflow – this results in flood.
  2. Over the years main areas hit by floods very frequently are known. Topography of these areas is also known.
  3. Thus from this flow pattern or path of water flow should be worked out.
  4. At various locations in the water path/s, water reservoirs i.e. large tanks should be constructed.
  5. A network of channels should be made across the rivers at important locations.
  6. Water outlets - if any - should be maintained clean and obstacle free.
  7. Road levels must be elevated wherever possible – this will help to some extent to prevent roads going under water.
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by malladi madhukumar, Senior Manager- Marketing, Cement company  | 12 11 2009 11:04:19 +0000

It is a good idea.constructions of tanks and interconnection of tanks is most advisable option.Whenever there is excess water the excess water should go to tanks  from that to another tank which also helps infilling the tanks with water which can be used for irrigation as well as drinking water purposes. further more it improves the ground water levels.

These ponds or tanks help in holding thr water when it rains .

In this connection we should not forget that there are so many such kind ponds,tanks available which are nither repaired nor periodiccal maintainance measures such as removing of weeds unwanted bushes and plants,increasing the depth of the tank, clearing small channels. These steps by local bodies, govts, and public intrest can help in solving the water problem.  

 

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Stop constructing Dams

idea posted by keshav m Project Architect, adonis designs

 

Any thing that we try to overcome the nature will not get success. One will definetely have the side effects of it. Olden days there were no dams which stores water in heavy quantity.
We used to have local water bodies which will be filled whenever there is rain. Now a days all such small and middle size waterbodies near the villages are dried up because the natural water catchment is controlled at some major points by these heavy dams. Result of which smaller waterbodies are not getting filled and Ground water level in those areas are going down.
Whenever there is heavy rain we can observe in last 100years floods caused more damage than in the past after construction of such dams. It is only after construction of such dams ground water level is touching more than 300ft in many villages where as earlier it used to be around 15 to 20 ft.

Nature will look for its own way to maintain the balance in nature. as a result we can witness those floods. Rain occured only for twodays. but the destruction caused would be beared by us lifetime.

It is as simple as this . Why one shall get HIV aids. and look for curing. In the total past we are witnessing floods every year here and there only since last century. Before that nature was balanced and no floods, very rearly we witnessed them. It is the greedy nature of man to arrest the water from its natural flow.

Sincere advice is not to overcome nature.

 

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by Ramakrishna Perumal, Electrical Specialist Engineer,  | 10 07 2009 11:09:23 +0000

Small capacity reservoirs in low lying areas will avoid floods and also the water table will be distributed evenly through out the land area.

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think about global warming.. an idea can change your life

idea posted by Sandeep Mohapatra developer, designer, SPA Computers

floods--- means excess of water. Controlling it means water management.

water in cold form is solid ice. Consider those snow capped mountains in arctic region, and general other snow capped mountains. Some months earlier a statement of an astraunaut was published in paper "every time he sees to those snow capped mountains, he feels like those mountains are loosing there snow caps". ... Reason Global warming. Where do these snow go? They became water, which appear to us as floods, through a long process(no need to explain that).

 

        Today worl is in very heavy need of energy. Hydro-electricity, petro-chemical electricity, nuclear electricity.... Consider an alternative- a law of physics, I learnt in 12 th standard(so do not remember exactly). Connect a hot body to cold body with some special metals. Heat is converted to electricity. further to add later...

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by Sandeep Mohapatra, developer, designer, SPA Computers  | 12 08 2009 02:51:11 +0000

We can have heat-electric power stations(like hydro-electric) using this principle. 1> connect cold places like tip of himalaya to hot places like deserts and have the power statiion in between  2>Also centre of earth will be a very hot place. Connect tip of a mountain and centre of earth and have a power sattion in between.

1>This will provide you electrcity

2>Will counter global warming to some extent. (Also someone country can become the pioneer and rest of the world follow. This will check global warming to a great extent. And so flood controll also)

3> You can remove hydro-electric powerplants, coal- derived power plants. In hydro-electric case: We restrict the speed of water flow by converting its energy to electricity. So, the speed of flow of water inside the rivers is slow. So it takes more time for drainage and excess water rise above the channels and cause flood. If water flows with its original speed, it will flow faster into oceans. So, in the same time more water can be cleared.

   If we can minimise the use of burning of coals to generate electricity, global warming will be less.

   Sun is always there to provide continuous source of power to us. It has been providing earth heat from millions of years. That energy is always stored in earth as heat. We can convert that to electricity.

 

But for temporary releif, all the other measures discussed here would be usefull. Then consider the scenario, when all the ice caps have melted. How much dams, drainages one can construct? 

One day whole world will be inside oceans.

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Dredging of Rivers and Lakes

idea posted by Shahnawaz Islam PR & Media Relations Manager, National Institute of Smart Governance

Just as Holland did in the 19th Century, we too must use dredging as a way to increase depth of river so that it can accomodate more flood water.

With constant and quick decrease in number of trees, there is and will be soil erosion. So dredging is definately required.

We must look at the option of afforestation since it is required for:

  • combating global warming (which in turn is increasing the intensity and frequency of such disasters) and,
  • reducing soil erosion which reduces the depth of rivers, canals, lakes, etc.
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Canal Networking and efficient storm water disposal systems can avert worst floods in rural & urban areas.

idea posted by chandresh Makhija Executive Director-Construction & Project Management

Canal networking & efficient storm water disposal systems can avert the worst of floods occuring so frequently in India. Though the planning and execution of many projects under the irrigation department / JNURM has taken shape in last 20 years, efficiency is greatly reduced by inability of networking and maintainence by authorities. A master plan is required to be put together keeping disaster management techniques in mind.

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Improve Public Address system

idea posted by Biranchi Narayan Acharya Chief Manager (Projects), Simplex Infrastructures Ltd

Through PAS people can be pre-warned of possible damage & can be evacuted to safe place

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Construct shelter houses in large scale

idea posted by Biranchi Narayan Acharya Chief Manager (Projects), Simplex Infrastructures Ltd

Flood shelter & cyclone shelter should be constructed in affected zones to minimise casualty

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Stop Corruption.. floods control willtake care of themselves.

idea posted by sethumadhav Area Collection Manager, GE Money Financial Servises
if we stop Land illegal aquisation(kabja)illigal construction on the ponds rivers, canals (NALA), etc, we can stop floods. Example, in hyderabad most of the multi storied building construcrion are happend on drainage canals, water canals, those are illigal, autorites and politicians, officials are taken bribe and given permissions to construction, when the water flows heavily form hyd tankbund(pons) water doesnt have choice to go out through canals(NALA), simly flow on roads and crate floods, its not nature fault, fault is ours to stop the free flow of the water through canals.
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papa kishtwaris - dreaded land mafias

idea posted by Ajay Ziz Dy. Registrar,, University of Jammu

land mafioso :: nobody can control them :: they are the government

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Master Planning

idea posted by Naveen Nair Director, Blue City

Statistical Authorities in India have a reasonably accurate detail for the distribution of population and assets right from the Panchayat level upwards. The Meteorological Authorities have accurate data on weather and precipitation details. Proposals can be made from the Panchayat level upwards for effective solutions with National Disaster Management Cell as an Apex Body with adequate funds.. proactive rather than 'reactive' intervention can not only avert the crisis but turn it to beneficial development activity with rural employment pitched in extensively. It is indeed unfortunate that we the populace blame things on the redundancy and purported corruption of the  Executive and politicians and pull back the positive steps we could be taking. I am totally with the visions of our ex President.

 

naveen

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Stop job security to stop corruption

idea posted by Suneel Jain Art Head, Cigma Events Pvt. Ltd.

If job security is removed from govt. system than corruption automatically removed, if we do privatisation of one govt. deppt. than it become working and profitable.

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Global Warming is the root cause of flood

idea posted by Amar Nath Mukherje Top Management, Synergy Power

Be sensitive on Global Warming.Reduce Carbon Di Oxide generation, Reduce Energy Consumtion . Warming to be arrested.

Then Snow of Glaciers will not melt so fast,

Sea level will not increase so fast.

Evaporation of water also will reduce.

May be disaster caused by torrential rain may reduce.

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by Shahnawaz Islam, PR & Media Relations Manager, National Institute of Smart Governance  | 10 14 2009 05:39:54 +0000

Carbon dioxide is also produced by combustion of fossil fuels and the production of lime. That's why the presence of carbon di oxide has reached mammoth proportions after the industrial era.

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by N. NAGESHWARAN, ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, M/s. KEC INTERNATIONAL LTD. (an RPG group)  | 10 14 2009 05:28:45 +0000

Sir what do you mean by Reduce production of Carbon di Oxide??

Carbon di Oxide is mainly produced by living organizms like human being, animals etc. In which way you want to control the production?????

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controlling the havoc of floods

idea posted by Mrs.Padmakesiraju Education Coordinator, Accent softskills training

Linking the rivers is the only solution for controlling floods in India.Areas where there is scanty rainfall can be benefitted by this.The disaster management people must rush in at the site without any delay or the army must be roped in to evcuate the low lying areas.

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Small capacity reservoirs

idea posted by Ramakrishna Perumal Electrical Specialist Engineer,

Small capacity reservoirs in low lying areas will avoid floods and also the water table will be distributed evenly through out the land area.

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River linking

idea posted by bhaskar Dy Manager Tendering Estimation / Planning, ESSAR Projects India Ltd
There is one old concept of River linking which can be extended to canal linking. This way the extra water which causes flood can be diverted to draught prone places.
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DONT CONNECT RIVERS PLS

idea posted by Charles davison Project Manager, Douglas OHI LLC

We would be making another man made disaster if we connect any rivers.

true the perrinial  iivers if connected to other seasonal rivers would be a great idea BUT it wont work.We will be going aganist the nature.If they(rivers) could find the right topographical course they would have connected by themselves.The terrain between these rivers are not right for connecting.The moment we try to do it they would find some other least resistive way and create havoc.

Its easy to imagine but when you get down to the bottom of all it will surely not be the right solution to the problem.

 

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by Shahnawaz Islam, PR & Media Relations Manager, National Institute of Smart Governance  | 10 14 2009 05:50:18 +0000

Absolutely right. The process of connecting rivers is likely to cause massive ecological damage as these rivers are not adjacent to each other. Mixing up of the water with different silt, gradients and depths will likely cause misery instead of being a solution.

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Inter-connection of rivers

idea posted by Dr. S.Pruthviraja pande Visiting Professor, Bangalore/Ravenshaw University

We can minimise the floods by interconnecting the rivers to some extent?

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MONITORING OF FLOW OF WARTER IN BIG AND SMALL DAMS

idea posted by malladi madhukumar Senior Manager- Marketing, Cement company

Monitoring of water levels indifferent small and big dams in karnataka by karnataka as well as andhra officials can help in releasing the water in phased manner so that it does not lead to sudden floods.  In monsoon season both governments should jointly hold meetings.

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