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Started by : Isha Verma, Sales/BD Manager, Larsen & Toubro   07 17 2010 11:00:10 +0000
Industry : Industrial Products/Heavy MachineryFunctional Area : India(Markets)
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There is a new twist to the 'India-China, who's better' story. A new report has said that 'Made in India' could be the next big economic story on the Asian horizon. The report, published by Capgemini Consulting Service, said that in the next 3-5 years, India, while retaining its IT hold, could challenge China as the world's manufacturing centre. With World Inc looking at India with a keen eye thanks to its IT prowess and its rising BPO wave, the India success story gets only reinforced.

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However, red-tapism, infrastructure bottlenecks, unfriendly government policies, not-so-great civic amenities and cheap labour have also seen a lot of companies take flight to China and other south Asian countries. From 'kirpans' to 'pichkaris', Chinese imitation of almost all kinds of Indian goods have invaded Indian drawing rooms, making the 'Made in China' tag a reality. So I want to know from all of you, how can we beat China in manufacturing?

 
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1 Concentrate on quality not the "Showy" things
2 How can we beat China in manufacturing?
3 It will be difficult to beat China
4 efficient and reliable and it has minimum serviceable guarantee on its products...
5 Mass production , quality consistency, time bound delivery
6 Offer consuner goods or other at competitive prices.
7 Bring 50% of that discipline
8 dedicated and consious working is the need of the day
9 why beat China?
10 "Concentrate on quality not the "Showy" things"
11 By manufacturing better quality products at less price
12 The main drawback of chinese products are that they are not reliable and cannot be used for long time,
13 Eliminate political interference, delays, corruptions, “chalta hai” attitude, gundaraj
14 ways to beat china
15 value for the price, better marketing stratagies
16 quality product.
17 Concentrate on quality as well as on attractive design
18 Concentrate on quality not the "Showy" things
19 Focus on open source and distributed manufacturing

Concentrate on quality not the "Showy" things

idea posted by Isha Verma Sales/BD Manager, Larsen & Toubro

'Made in India' tag carries a better product than one made in China. Be it technology, durability or design we excel the Chinese anytime. For example, check the boom in the indian mobile manufacturing sector. There are number of indian mobile phones available in the market which are as good as the global mobile phone leaders and far better than those cheap, use and throw shabby looking mobile phones "Made in China". If we use the same formulae in other products also, we can very easily overtake Chinese goods.

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by s.baalu , Consultant, XYZ LTD  | 07 29 2010 12:39:27 +0000

QUALITY OF ANY PRODUCT MADE IN INDIA IS BETTER THAN WHAT IS MADE IN CHINA.WE WILL BE ABLE TO COMPETE THEM IN PRICING WHEN OUR PRODUCTION GOES UP GIVING US THE ADVANTAGE OF ECONOMY.THIS WILL HELP US PENETRATE INTO VARIOUS GLOBAL MARKETS.ASSURED QUALITY COUPLED WITH ECONOMIC PRICING WILL HELP US OVERTAKE CHINA.

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Efforts are needed to ease the red-tapism, and other bottlenecks in the infrastucture, above all we need consistency in execution.

Thanks Ms.Isha Verma.

 

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by Ravindra Sharma, Managing Consultant, CHEF-India  | 07 20 2010 07:18:29 +0000

Dear Isha,

It may surprise you to know most of designs you are referring to are as well made in china. China makes many qualities to cater to varied markets.

India is more interested in trading. Whatever manufacturing we have is as well receding thanks to NO POWER + NO INFRASTRUCTURE and so on.

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How can we beat China in manufacturing?

idea posted by Kocherlakota Satya Venkatesh Dy.Manager, IVRCL

Chinese domination in Manufacturing will not last long."Made in China" Goods last only for few hours with servicing of goods being impossible.Importance to Reaserch of International standards  in Science & Technology is absolutely necessary to dominate not only China but even other countries.  

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by varghese p j, project engineer, magnacool engineers  | 07 23 2010 07:58:49 +0000

ya its the great example v can show to our people about corperation....

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by khizer ahmed, Project Lead, MAS furniture  | 07 22 2010 03:30:12 +0000

I agree with wat u have said!!Its very true

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by Amartya Deb, xx  | 07 20 2010 02:15:08 +0000

human resource.. our biggest strength.. has been turned in to a weakness thanks to current politics... i mean look at the way people in china worked for their olympics... maybe thats the key... 

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It will be difficult to beat China

idea posted by Amit Abrol Business Owner , Primexp
What we needed was a long term perspective & thats where China beat us leaps & bounds. They are so far ahead that I dont see us catching up at all. It is always a conglomerate of factors influencing growth - there are too many areas we need to focus on & problems to be countered, none of which is short term! I would feel it easier to "join them rather than try beat them", the way China did it. Copied to perfection & hybrid the original - did it really matter how quality got effected? By the time everyone realized this, focus changed to a new problem that took predominance over the original one being discussed! Put "heads together" on long term strategy, overcome red tapism for quickfire solutions, educate/ innovate & push ahead together with infrastructure & all round development.
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I agree with views of Amit . I feel since China exports to large varieties of market be careful in comparing the Quality standards of those products to the ones Made in India. On broader level (Country) we should have infrastructure that will boost manufacturing. At individual level, for me we need to follow more disciplined approach to manufacturing.

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by khizer ahmed, Project Lead, MAS furniture  | 07 22 2010 03:46:09 +0000

Adding to your posting I want to put forward my words ,Last week my boss had been to china..He was explaining us about chinese way of working: Each n every thing what ever they manufacture will be in qty which makes cost reduction & the labor's there are specified only to certain job which he will be doin continuously & he will not get time stop & think during working hour's because of the conveyor system .So work goes very smooth & faster . They never deal anything which is not in qty .And its not like they dont have technology to give quality which many of our friends have posted.If it comes to quality they give best of the market, they are ready to compet both in terms of cost & quality... 

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efficient and reliable and it has minimum serviceable guarantee on its products...

idea posted by DILIP KUMAR.C.P B.E-MECHANICAL ,GRADUATE
The INDIAN made mobiles have the features working great efficient , reliable and it has minimum serviceable guarantee on its products... but on china we can assure the life of it and also we can observe some technical difficulties in operating it....
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Mass production , quality consistency, time bound delivery

idea posted by ujjval jain Retail, Retail

Mass production capacity with consistent required quality & time bound delivery & that too with competitive rates; I think that's the only Mantra...specially to compete China,,,

Thanks Isha for the referral.

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by Ravindra Sharma, Managing Consultant, CHEF-India  | 07 20 2010 07:21:28 +0000

Support you Ujjwal,

Only, would like to add "Not to forget investing in Research and Innovation" 

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this sounds to be the best answer. Consistent delivery of quality goods would automatically make the customer select goods that are of Indian make. 

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Offer consuner goods or other at competitive prices.

idea posted by Mohammad Bakhsh Project Leader/Managing Consultant, Freelancer

The"Made in China goods" available in India are with added features and are available at cheaper rates comparing "Made in India" with quality sparingly good.India can stop China by manufacturing items and making available in the market comparatively at lower rate This can be done by restructuring taxes.Of course we can beat China by little bit of innovation in market policy  and tax revision.

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India made goods are of good quality and durability.The only factor lacking is price calculation and reason ability.The prices must be competitive to extend the reach to the real consumers.The Chinese goods could be dealt with market strategy and farsightedness.

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Bring 50% of that discipline

idea posted by Ravindra Sharma Managing Consultant, CHEF-India

Just bring half the discipline so people forever misusing democracy can fall in line and you may already be ahead of China.

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by Ravindra Sharma, Managing Consultant, CHEF-India  | 12 05 2010 08:58:15 +0000

Seriousness required on the much needed "WILL"

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dedicated and consious working is the need of the day

idea posted by d.v.shyam sundar Head/VP/GM-HR, retd. -cent. givt.

Every one either in govt. or in private aim to get more and more financial benefits, most of them don't put in apt effort to attend to the work in hand.

sincere workers are side stepped by the favorites of the higher ups, and other considerations.

the above are not a generic opinion but my own experience and observations at the sites of units I dealt with.

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why beat China?

idea posted by Amit Abrol Business Owner , Primexp

why must it have to be about beating China? why cant we start to be as good?

Learn from what we didnt do when we should have, use the pluses from the China book, combine both & optimize for best results. We must learn to match them & beat them at their game - believe me, we have a long way to go to get there!

Then we can add to it - handling quantum like them & matching their prices, will need a lot of innovation plus infrastructure development to hit the nail on the head! It is about a lot more than just capability & capacity!

We have many experienced hands available in India, who have dealt with China at various levels. Use that expertise but most important is to get our own ready for the challenge!

Once more issue of critical importance - it is not necessary to show them down in order to be one up on them. More often than not, it is better to play the game from the others rules & learn to get better! Who better than the Chinese themselves?

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"Concentrate on quality not the "Showy" things"

idea posted by saravanan sakthivel Assistant Manager, Hueco Electronic I Pvt Ltd
Make products with good quality and cheaper process cost by making more volume of products
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By manufacturing better quality products at less price

idea posted by Nilesh Pawar Legal & Secretarial, Valencia Professional & Management Services LLP
By manufacturing better quality products at less price
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The main drawback of chinese products are that they are not reliable and cannot be used for long time,

idea posted by sandeep kumar khuntia B.Tech/B.E. student, SGSITS, Indore
Currently most mobiles from china doesnot have warranty or service centres, India should focus on the same quality as of chinese + a warranty cover, That will give a tough competition to china as well as the mobiles from India will be reliable through out the world.
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Eliminate political interference, delays, corruptions, “chalta hai” attitude, gundaraj

idea posted by vijaykumar Production Manager, Larsen & Toubro Limited
Eliminate political interference, delays, corruptions, “chalta hai” attitude, gundaraj 1. For development of any industry, some of the below are fundamental requirements like, infrastructure, power, water, manpower, raw material and off course the customer base. Enormous amount of money paid by tax payers should be used for development of infrastructure and power generation and not on providing protection and feeding to shameless demands of illiterate politicians. 2. All the developmental projects should be time bound. China is working madly on putting into operations bullet train running at 340 km / hr whereas we poor fellows are still busy in investigating causes of n numbers of train collisions. As per the survey, the new generation train shall start operating 2 months before the target. Just compare it with mono-rail project in Mumbai. 3. No doubt corruption is there in every corner of the world. We can not find a matching example of our babus in rest of the developing countries. Here in China, time required to set up a new business is 21 working days including approvals from all the bureaus. Our own examples in India are beyond comparison. 4. Fear for law can be seen from a taxi driver, who is following traffic signal even at 3’o’ clock in the night when there is no traffic on the road and no traffic police as well. I do not think someone can show me such example in India. These are major points where we can concentrate upon. I am sure, we will beat China once these hurdles are cleared.
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ways to beat china

idea posted by Rahul srivastava Area Business Representative, Premium Transmission Ltd
various ways to beat china but make conform you follow these things in proper manner 1- study why china growing -they are growing due to cheaper in cost & bulk quantity Production so first of we need to study about demand & supply requirement & plan production 2- quality improvement with high production rate -only by operation cum inspection process -proper reliability conditions -Assembly inspection - dock audit at each process of operation -part inspection chemical & mechanical test -proper calibration of gauges ,tools & measuring instruments 3-system study by seven QC tools , why-why analysis, quality circles Process analysis ,
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value for the price, better marketing stratagies

idea posted by MBD prasad Technical and management consultant, Freelance consultant

Every one talks about quality but is the qulity worth its price? this what every manufacturer has to think and produce. Every quality sells. This is what china is doing. We always think that governament is not doing sufficiently, but what we are ding has to be analysed and try to improve on product, marketing aftersales service. Mass production will not help with out aggressive marketing. China has different channels of marketing. Most of their products are exported, irrespective of the quality. For exports govenament is giving lot of incentives. We need think of global marketing if we have to compete with china. when you have created demand,  mass production automatically follows.

I know a company producing industrial pumps and unable to market the product. the problem is the price is compared with the best in the country, but the quality is worst. When we look at other manufacturers with very low prices, the manufacturing proces and material used is different and the same is acceptable to a perticular sigment of end users. Hence market sigmentation, product re-engineering, marketing stratagies are the only wepons to beat china 

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quality product.

idea posted by RAVI PRATAP SINGH B.E.(Honos.), Mechanical Engineering
india 2 largest manufactureing hub in world. it can be first by continusing it R&D more powerfull.
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Concentrate on quality as well as on attractive design

idea posted by Suresh Prasad Gupta Freelancer, Pharmaceuticals
We have been producing superior quality products and of course better than China. In order to beat them, we just have to work on better design and quality is already there.
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Concentrate on quality not the "Showy" things

idea posted by Gopala Krishnan.H CMD, DJA-Inc
Quality will take us in the long run. Like Japan, we need to strive for quality.
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Focus on open source and distributed manufacturing

idea posted by Abhijit Anand Prabhudan Admin/Facilities Manager, Ca*****
It is futile to emulate economies of scale, subsidized manufacturing as is done in China. They are an authoritarian nation, workers don't have any rights. Chinese manufacturing is based on copying western technology, economies of scale, govt subsidies and cheap labor force, then they do is contract manufacturing for big mnc to supply to world markets. India can't do this, this is unsustainable model, also environment will be destroyed by such kind of industrial manufacturing. What India can do is to innovate and build new 'business models' in manufacturing. In my opinion, to encourage manufacturing revolution in India: develop 'open' hardware like arduino, riversimple car, makerbot 3d printers and others such products. India can innovate to create such systems that goes beyond open hardware for hobbies to serious products. Also focus on distributed,automated manufacturing, some trying to do around the world include projects such as local motors, 100 garages, open source ecology projects. Distributed manufacturing does not means inferior sme quality. Also companies will have to totally change organization structures to achieve this. Already riversimple car project is trying for such stewardship based org model, John Lewis Partnership and Mondragon already do this. Also new concepts like Multitude discovery networks, and 'Phyle" org model are being developed. In essence what I am saying is: Manufacturing to be taken to next level by end of intellectual property,rent seeking, focus on open,commons based design philosophy, use of distributed manufacturing using new technology such as 3d printing, robotics, networked enterprises and new organization structures. Many of terms in this argument may seem unfamiliar, so just google them to know more about them.
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