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Topic : Bollywood movies: A crack at oscars
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Started by : Yash Singh, Coresspondent, Star   02 23 2009 07:19:53 +0000
Industry : Radio, TV & FilmsFunctional Area : India(Markets)
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Today it was a dream run at the Oscars for India as AR Rahman who made all Indians proud by bagging two Oscars & filmmaker Danny Boyle's rags-to-riches romance set in India, Slumdog Millionaire, won eight Oscar awards for best feature film, direction, original song, original score, sound mixing, editing, adapted screenplay and cinematography.

In all the Slumdog glory what most of us have forgotten is that India's official entry to the Oscars this year was actor-director Aamir Khan's film Taare Zameen Par. Aamir or not, the film didn't even make it to the nominations, leaving us with a question – why have Indian films failed to crack the Oscar code?

It was Bhanu Athaiya who bought home India's first ever Oscar in 1982 for her outstanding work as costume designer in Richard Attenborough's epic Gandhi.

The second Indian to actually win an Oscar was filmmaker Satyajit Ray who was awarded an honorary Oscar for his lifelong contribution to cinema in 1992.

Sadly, since then it has only been controversies and no wins, when it comes to Indian entries to the Oscars.

Friends I wonder how Indian films can crack the Oscar code? Please put your suggestions behind it......

Thanks !!!

 
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1 BY ADDING REALITY TO BOLLYWOOD INSTEAD OF ACTION AND DRAMA TRENDS
2 Do we really need to crack it?
3 well i know how to crack Oscars.....
4 The basic theme behind the movies needs to be original.
5 By showing reality through real characters and have some logic
6 To crack an oscar......!!!
7 By Avoiding old tradition of Copying...
8 The movie has to have a European Director
9 Authenticity with Creativity
10 Indian films are more meaningful than Hollywood
11 How Indian films can crack the Oscar code?
12 We can get an Oscar for our films.
13 Subject being universal
14 By Collaborations
15 Not following routine stuff anymore
16 NO NEED
17 Oscars are not about quality of the films
18 Concentrate on quality, Oscars would come.

BY ADDING REALITY TO BOLLYWOOD INSTEAD OF ACTION AND DRAMA TRENDS

idea posted by varsha Head/VP/GM-Quality, frac

i feel cinema and media has caliber which can make a turn in the society... do u remember the one song Vande Mataram live audio show is strong driven force for our independence.. if we are real with life and instead of disum dishum action or emotional drama... an oskar is not a big thing for us.. we have to show what we are..........(actual scenario)

so its all happen SLUMDOG MILLIONAIR  is all about Mumbai.....

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by Pramod V. Chaorashe, Freelancer, Freelancer  | 09 08 2009 14:36:03 +0000

To first elevate the level of Indian cinema, the bigger production houses will have to take an initiative by flooding the Indian market by realistic stories, treatment without actually worrying about the box-office returns. They can afford to be extravagant in dealing with such subjects and set a trend. There is no dearth of subjects in Indian cinema but it lacks the people who will put their money on it. Subjects like MILLION DOLLAR BABY, MYSTIC RIVER, SCHINDLER'S LIST,  and more such have to be entertained and promoted. When we have more such movies around, it will gradually set a trend for other makers too, since here they say its a BHED-CHAAL. And the audiences will easily lap up these subjects. Once this happens, then the budgets can be increased by roping in big stars. Fantasies may be box office hits but rarely have they been at the top at the OSCARS.

 

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Definately, by adding the reality will help bollywood to crack in oscars..Mostly those films which were based on some real incident that took place or some situations which prevailed in the past, have reached oscars....

Many times we ourselves while watching our action drama movies feel that such things are fictitious, which doesnt and cannot happen.... Sometimes we feel that what stupidity is been shown to us.....So bollywood should add reality from their part...

Another thing is that, people who were not knowing would know those real things which had happened in past and was very appealing, whether it were good or worst things....

So, i think that bollywood should, and must add majority part of reality instead of action and drama.....

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by puja priya, fresher  | 03 21 2009 02:05:03 +0000

i think by adding reality the movies can be made much better . but dont you think that the movies made before sm was also award winnig like tare jameen per it was nice movie and the songs were too good but it didnt got selected. one thing we should notice whether it be gandhi or sm both have been made by foreign director so it got award . other wise from 1982 to know not a single movie got the prize. so from my view there is no need to change the bollywood moview style. because many films has been made whichadded reality but they didnt got oscar so to get oscar we Indian dont need story we need a foreign director

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Do we really need to crack it?

idea posted by HASMUKH GANDHI FILM AND TV PRODUCER, PROFESSIONAL

I do not want to sound like sceptic...but there appears to be some kind of aprthied practiced in the elite club of Oscars....Gandhi got the Oscar becuase it was a film made by a foreinger....Bhanu got it as one of the oscar as token....SM is a good movie...but there was nothing great about it...ok...let me not judge the cinematic values or site some other great films made by Indians...but r v really sure that had SM not made by a foreigner, it would have gone this far? Rehman has done fantastic compositions before as well....let us not miss the entire jungle for a sheer tree..... 

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I absolutely support Gandhi. Who needs an Oscar when we are the worlds largest producer of films. Our films are for entertaining (forget the tera jerkers and murder movies).

The world will soon turn to india for films like they have for Cricket with the successful creation of the IPL. And beleive me, some of the movies that gvet the oscar are far from creative or entertaining. The mantra to gain success in America is simple - LOBBYING. Be it discreet or indiscreet. Take the bunch of jokers to an island resort for their vacation and throw in some high brow parties and you will automatically get the oscar. In that sense we dont really need to aim for the oscars.

Our talent is known to us and we can applaud them. I dont need to see any correction in the way our films are being shot save for the lengthy song sequences (and that too only because they put u to sleep). This is something like needing someone to pat you on the back for having done a good job when you know that you have done it. We dont need anyone, least an outsider to tell us whether our movie is good or not especially when they dont understand our myriad culture and social complexities. 

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by jairaj shyam prasad, Production Manager, BOSCH Ltd  | 03 11 2009 14:38:23 +0000

Basic intention of any cinema is entertainment.If the movie is really good and make people enjoy, that itself is big prize for the effort of movie makers and associates.In my opinion, whole world is simply making a big hype of Oscar award and we really need not do anything to get it.If our film makers are wise enough to make good movies that entertains all class of society, that will be great than any oscar,

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guys, i don't really think so that the movie [SM] is actually an Indain movie.... it was just that some Indain actors were there doesn't make it Indain and just because , with all due respect, a foreginer made this movie and showwn reality its being hyped about to such an extent that it even bagged oscar [by saying this, i don't wanna under-estimate the efforts DB] but the point that im trying to make is that we have made far better movies and songs already so I don't really think that we need any other testimony for this.

in fact sh. AR Rahman might want to agree that he had given better music in "taree zameen par" than in this movie and the sheer concept which was shown is far beautiful than this movie [if i really have to compare] .....

now its open for all mind 'n' souls to express their views

 

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well i know how to crack Oscars.....

idea posted by SHALIN. THAKER Senior Analyst JP Morgan

let other cracks die for it.......we are here to appreciate movies......

n i dont know how many people might agree.... but there are par excellent movies made all over the world.....n few make it to oscars...these might be big awards....but for people its quality that matters n everyone knows awards can be bought or sold ... best example hardly any awards for a film like 'Wednesday'..... in filmfare.... whereas it was very close to how an avg.Indian thinks and feels...

So bottomline if we get it its fine if we dont then too its fine shudnt matter much to us.....

Indian artists too have qualities which matches the best.....

Jai ho.....

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by Jyoti Rath, Sr. Associate, Barclays  | 04 08 2009 10:20:06 +0000

Mr.Shalin i defintely agree with you.Why we should die for oscars, do we need their recognition to accept that yes our films are also good.I believe that if you know that your work is good then you don't need others approval to make it a fact. As an Indian i want to say that we should stop giving importance to things like OSCAR and just focus on our work and believe in ourselves.

what do you say?

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The basic theme behind the movies needs to be original.

idea posted by Amita Shanbag Chartered Accountant/CPA, S Ravi

Just like we made it to the Oscars for "Slumdog", we can definitely do it again and again. The movies with the general masala and unrealisic themes and copying ideas from Hollywood  will not do, the basic theme needs to be original. Collaborations will no doubt strengthen our base, but a quality movie well made, will speak for itself.

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By showing reality through real characters and have some logic

idea posted by Sanyog Kumar Garg Software Developer, Reliance Info Solutions
Reality is one part to cater the impression of judges. Second thing is..if films are based on some actions or dramas too, then it should be deliverd through some sense and logic. I mean... fantasy is good thing but! to present it with some logic would also be v powerful. Viewers should say that yaaah! this may really happen. So somewhere there is a connection of fantasy and reality in movie world but through some logic!!.....
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To crack an oscar......!!!

idea posted by Yash Singh Coresspondent, Star

Hi everyone, Thanks a lot for participating with your wonderful ideas & deep insights....!!!

According to me the film ( slumdog millionaire ) was wonderful. I am glad A R Rahman and Resul Pookutty have received the due acknowledgment. I appreciate what the film has done for India and our lesser-known technicians.

On the same time I feel how clueless our Indian filmmakers are when it comes to telling an entertaining story. Slumdog Millionaire is a good frame of reference for them.

What raises Slumdog Millionaire to the level of a classic is in its amazing portrayal of the wonder and chaos and injustice in India. The filthy slums, the abject poverty, the Hindu-Muslim violence, the Bollywood craze, cricket mania, Mumbai underworld, horrific exploitation of young children, the ‘new’ India rising over the demolished slums of Mumbai, police brutality, the call centers, inexplicable goodness in some souls, the packed commuter trains et al - nay, the very essence of India is distilled and captured with unusual verve and dexterity in the moving story of Slumdog Millionaire.

To crack an Oscar I think a film should have a fine amalgam of the tragic, the comic, the fatalistic and the anarchic elements of life. Even the less than compelling performances of that movie should not dim the luster. The power of the camera, the allure of the story and the depth of the screenplay. And of course, music should complement well !!!

what do you guys say ????

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By Avoiding old tradition of Copying...

idea posted by !manpreet $ingh Management Trainee, PageTraffic

As far as my opinion is concernd...Our Indian movie is much better than others...But most of the directors instead of using their ideas copies story from hollywood.

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The movie has to have a European Director

idea posted by Jay Makwana Media Development Manager, Times of Oman

If Slumdog Millionnaire had been made by Indian Director it would not have got so many Oscars...There have been Indian movies which are worth Oscars ...Lagaan, Page 3 , Dasvidaniya, etc

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Authenticity with Creativity

idea posted by Makrand Bhave Marketing & MICE, WIZCRAFT International

Populist cinema will never be entertained at Oscars'. The cinema that we make in India are basically emoition based and has values pertaining to our culture. Oscars is a platform where cinema based on authentic events with added creativity works better.

Content like Lagaan, was authentic and was also creative. Authentic content is driven with history and has already been substantiated so the creative liberties taken in producing such films are very low as compared to Reality cinema where the content is pertaining to an event of recent times. The Producers then think of taking creative liberties by taking the protagonists of the film abroad for a song sequence and thats the spoiler in such films.

Content driven cinema with authentic content is the way to go!

 

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by James Masih, Product/Brand Manager, FedEx  | 04 24 2009 09:40:56 +0000

Yes Markand you are right most of the Indian films are based on emotions perspective to Indian culture, the same old romance and stuff like that, I guess only Aamir has given thought on wider perspective and he is the only person who is making movies for a wider audience than the Indian perspective...so more Thought process should go in getting subjects which appeal wide audience all over and creativity is more important there...

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Indian films are more meaningful than Hollywood

idea posted by Mohen Naorem CEO/MD/Director, AME FILMS

One factor which we failed is long story line and the  trends of  starting  with sorrow and  having a big THE END in happy tone makes Indian films more dramatic, unrealistic and fiction type. We need to come our of normal cinema making and try experimental films. We cannot  parted songs from  films, this is one disadvantage for making the  story longer.

Also we need to adapt the habit of copying western storyline.

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How Indian films can crack the Oscar code?

idea posted by Shiuli Mukherji Head Strategy Plan- , Region SEA

Yash, the answer to this is not that simple. If you see this years Oscar nominations, the question arises that how did Slumdog... win in eight categories?

The Oscar panels view of awarding Slumdog.. was that the storyline was not depressing. Still, now in a story or a movie the expectation is that- alls well that ends well.Having said that, the Indian films have yet to do their home work on the story telling part with authenticity. They have mastered thetheatrics and the production value has increased, but they are lacking in original ideas.

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We can get an Oscar for our films.

idea posted by Yash Singh Coresspondent, Star

With Indian cinema finally coming of age, I hope that we one day we get an Oscar for our films.


What do you say ??? How Indian films can crack the Oscar code?

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Subject being universal

idea posted by Anup Bera Investment Advisor, Standard Chartered

According to me the subject or the theme of the movies from India should be universal by which globally the movie will be accepted and the trend has already started with Slumdog winning the top honors at the Oscars by which one can say that Hollywood is also evolving, like there are more number of foreign actors making entry into Hollywood, so it is evolving in its own way and this is positive sign for bollywood movies which will now have a wide audience, so if the Subject is universal then one can repeat the same as Slumdog millionaire....

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By Collaborations

idea posted by Kavitha Shankar Sr/Principal Coresspondent, ABC

Yes quite true as Mr. Anup has put up that subject being universal, but then as West is seeing India as the next big Global Investment juncture for everything, even the hollywood studios are collaborating with bollywood and producing movies, like Sony pictures produced Saanwariya, and Warner Brothers producing CC2C, and with Slumdog complete sweep at the oscars one can see many more such collaborations, which will help the whole Indian Film Industry or Bollywood to have a crack at the Oscar's.

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Not following routine stuff anymore

idea posted by Himanshu Pathak Sr/Principal Coresspondent, Coresspondent

Indian movies has a set of rules like there must be six songs 3-4 fights and all the family drama to garner audiences, if they are doing the same thing or applying the same plot and making the movie differently it is of no use, as this will be seen only by the Indian audience, So the mindset of film makers should change, they should stop the routine stuff, they should try things differently, the trend is actually changing with new directors with the new format of storytelling, like in the case of A Wednesday and Dev D which was totally out of this world according to me so if the movie has to crack at the oscars then one should stop the Routine and try out new things by keeping the global audience in mind.

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NO NEED

idea posted by isha jain Correspondent, Aa;iya Production Pvt. ltd
there is no need to crack the code as we have already got our own Oscar "FILMFARE". I really believe in it.
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Oscars are not about quality of the films

idea posted by Arun Krishna Freelancer, Freelancer

It is no secret the oscar judges dont even watch all the entries.What you need is a big studios to to spend big bucks lobbying for the film and some trendwatching.Oscars have never been about quality.When movies like braveheart have won oscars, what quality are we talking about?This year there were better movies competing, but the climate was right for Slumdog.If Danny Boyle deserved an Oscar, it was for Trainspotting

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Concentrate on quality, Oscars would come.

idea posted by Abhimanyu Singh Freelancer, Advertising/PR/MR/Events
I have strong exception to the views held by Ms Isha Jain. To talk of Oscars and Filmfare in the same breath is like comparing IIPM witarh IIMs... one is class, other is classless. You may really believe in filmfare for its not about quality and cinematic achievements but high glam, promotional event, where awards are given on the basis of how big a film was on box office. It undermines the very purpose an award function is meant to serve. It's an entertainment night where film insiders distribute trophies to their nieces, nephews, sons and daughters.
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