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NO DOUBT TATA CAN DO .
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New Coaches and Engines
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Undoubtedly TATA can.
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Future is good in hands of privatization
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Manage professionally but do NOT privatize!
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Populatio population
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Avoid + Minimize Being Political Agenda
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PUblic transportation need to be Paretto Optimal
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SOMETHING SIMILAR TO TOLL ARRANGEMENT
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people should change
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Who stops!!
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Willingness to imporve
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Technological Improvement
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Customer Service & Transperancy
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Railway should go mobile now
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Railway should go mobile now!
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Indian Railways is going in its own way....!!!!!
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Yes we can
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still now INDIA is power deficit country so i can give a small idea to Indian railway?
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EVERYONE HAS SEEN FROM NANO INCIDENT TATA CAN DO WHAT HE SAYS, GOVT. OF INDIA SHOULD ASK TATA TO TAKE ONE FULL ZONE AND GO AHEAD BRITISH GOVT HAS GIVEN CONTRACT TO MANY PARTIES ,WHO ARE RUNNING WITH MAXIMUM COMFORT TO PUBLIC,MINIMUM SPEED OF TRAINS IN U.K IS 200 KM /HR,WHILE IN WITH SIMILAR CASE MINIMUM SPEED MORE THAN 200 KM/HR AND TILL NOW ONLY 1986 ONE TRAIN WAS DELAYED BY 18 SECONDS FOR WHICH PAPERS GAVE NEWS WITH HIGHLIGHTING IT ON TOP. |
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How many times have we seen ourselves and others around us scream ourselves hoarse asking for privatization of various govt. run industries? I would say too many to count! But does privatizing everything we know actually help us?
Without a speck of doubt, the Tata group of companies is one of most resilient, profitable and respected companies in the world today. We have seen numerous occasions where they have won our trust and respect with their model of business, their work in the public field, their contribution to the better of states where they have their presence and also their might when they have expanded their presence in other countries across the globe.
No doubt, if the Tatas are given control over a sizeable part of the Indian Railways presence in the country, they would run it a better manner with more professionalism. They would ensure that the money we spent on our train travel is well used in improving the present infrastructure, improving the quality of travel, improve the facilities available at all stations and increasing the revenue of the world's largest commercial or utility employer, the Indian Railways.
There are always checks and balances in any process, and in this process too, there should be checks and balances in place, monitored by the Indian Railways and the Govt. of India, to ensure that the most important person in the equation: the common man, is benefited in every possible way.
TATA's brand image is associated with trustworthiness, affordability, reliability and quality. It has lived up to its image with the recent launch of NANO car. TATA for surely can go miles if takes up the Indian Railways. I suppose Customer Service at Indian Railways would improve with it.
ITS NOT A BUS/TRUCK,HOW A TOLL CAN BE TAKEN FROM A RAILWAY ENGINES?NO OTHER AUTHORITY CAN PUT HIS TRAFFIC ON THE RAILS OF ONE,TILL THE TRAFFIC CONTROLE IS WITH SOME OTHER'S HAND.THOUGH IT CAN BE PERFORMED AT AIRPORTS.
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New Coaches with new innovative Idea to accommodate more people and provide good facilities. New High Speed Engines with automatic controls can be one solution to improve the situations, it is not a single day process and requires lot of investment but is achievable. In most of the long route trains the coaches are very old I think they have been used to their maximum but still the consumer has to use those, the question is 'WHY we are using old coaches that even do not have enough leg room space, In addition a middle birth has been added to the side berths, which often leads to confusion in seat number and create problems in reservation system, no ventilation too. |
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Yes! Let some efficient private organization run this show. Tata do stand a good chance but there can be more companies that can come in too.
This is an off shoot but, did you see our coaches? They are so heavy duty and make you feel like you are in a tank. I have seen them more light weight and yet functional in other countries. This not only reduces the horsepower required by the engine but also the load on the tracks and the soil. Just, thought this as a design engineer!
Yes New coaches and engines are much needed but also cleanliness is much more needed in these Trains. and people should be made aware to keep it clean as most of them make these trains look like garbage....So more investment is needed to improve the image of the Biggest rail network in the world......
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Well, undoubtedly TATA can do it. Infact i would rather say not only TATA but we all can do it. It is just so simple we maintain ourselves in railway, dont through garbage everywhere and complete a job of responsible citizen. By doing so we are actually completing half job. just what we need to be is Civilized citizen of a great Civilization....... |
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Dear Rina,
its a very good suggestion you have given to everybody to help railways servicing good.
Thanks
Rgds,
Moulik Shah
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In Last One Decade the changes have shown really a good perfomance inspite of goverment, its already proven in ahmedabad for a case study we can see the torrent group have take over the AEC(Ahmedabad Electricity corp) and entire gujrat is really thankful to their work, faster billing process, immidiate consumer solutions within half n hour, a full stop on the uses of plugged-connection on road, zero billing hassalement, mobile vans to cover the bills in most of the office areas, several good tie ups with banks and companies and agents..from last five year i have never experienced a single power cut...what more i should explain about it...I strongly agree for the privatization in the country. |
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Yes i agree somehow, but until and unless you give it to some private company, the new innovations wont be generated or executed if goverment would again be the intermediary, because goverment is with a huge channel of authorities which will end up discussing like us. Yes the way somehow leads to same as we say a professional management but you just try to have a feel if somebody from a psu would interfere in ur business and would stop you doing sumthng which you really worked out to be good then end results would be the same again.
This is what i already discussed earlier that there are so many projects which is always taken by tata, reliance, L&T and etc for the devlopment of infrastructure for railway but it finishes up the tast handed over to them, they dont come up doing of there own, it will again the same issue that we are half of the way working with private company but our head is in goverment.
Dear Mr.Amod,
There cannot be two swords into one shelf, the same way either it can be under a private company thats call privatization or into govt company thts call public undertaking Cos. As you are saying the joint efforts, let me tell you there are already thousand of projects which is several times taken by tata, essar, reliance & L&T for the devlopment of infrastructure for railway on contract basis (which ur saying renewal basis), but what is the reason it fails -> the thing is the contract taken by private company was run by railways only (which is the same you are asking) , so it will really put good efforts when the entire portfolio for any zone or state may be given to private company and all the devlopment and processes shall run by private company intelligents to provide and do sumthng new.
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After reading the so many conversations and ideas, I have been a bit disillusioned. It is clear that everyone discussing this topic has a different idea on what the Indian Railways top objectives are. Also, profitability seems to be high on the list, but I am not sure that needs to be up there. Let me suggest what the objectives are: 1. Affordable transport to all: People and Goods Let us realize that we have a huge population that is below the poverty line and depends on the railways for their transport from the place of work, or place of business to their ancestral home. Privatizing it without this mandate can add a lot of suffering and pain to those people. Also, the more profits the Tata's want to make, the more expensive transport of raw materials will be causing inflation across the country. This will depress the poor even more! 2. Dependability: If you cannot depend on the transport to be on time, you will not use it for mission critical work like business/shipping goods. The reason Shatabdi is so popular with business folks is because of timeliness. 3. Efficiency: In order to provide affordability and dependability at low cost, the organization needs to be run in an efficient manner while being reachable to all. Given the size of the Railways organization, this can be a challenge. My opinion is that privatization will NOT help Railways. What it needs is a "Professional Management" team that is not corrupt. This professional management team may be outsourced to the Tata's or others, but please do not privatize the whole operation, make profitability the solve objective and cause more pain to bottom of the pyramid. Privatization is not a solution - it is very easy to shut-down the business if no profits are being made and this important service to the majority of Indians will go away. Or there will need to be a bailout from the government like Chrysler/GM in America - which will only line the pockets of the rich and careless. |
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Moulik,
1. I disagree
You must have seen the competition providing good services to public then of goverment (BSNL) can do, why do you really think that privatization will lead to higher cost, i say NO definately there are leaders in private companies who can lead the entire show in better costing then of PSUs, after all the motive is to provide better service to public who are using the services most, no business man can hurt the person who is giving volume despite the cost.
>>Competition = lower prices is a generic economic adage that I am familiar with. But you cannot apply it without context. If government managed the railway lines and opened up to any private company to run their own "rail-taxis" on top of them, then maybe competition may help. But privatization of the railway lines to one firm like Tata DOES NOT breed competitiveness but a monopoly that WILL result in increasing costs for the bottom of the society.
2. Dependability:
2. That is what not only shatabdi can do but after taking the entire portfolio everybody understands the need of the hour, and i understand where the execution is the problem in PSUs will be solved in privatization due to huge fund availability at the lower end to take quick decisions.
3. Decades have shown that the efficency level in private company are doing better then of the PSUs, how can you really challenge it ? There can be low cost, better service and dependability because no one would like to loose business of such a huge structure and a continue business even after lots of deficency which we have always seen by govt.
Privatization has always brought inovation and made histories in the sector of electricity board, telecom sector, BPOs ,NGOs and most of the companies through which our entire economy is dependent.
i do not think that i need to name anybody but its proven that private sector share in the market then of the PSUs is far better in all the sectors.
>> That is why I indicate that you need professional management. Professional management means their remuneration is tied to the right incentives and not limited by government regulations or corrupted by ministerial practices. So we are probably saying the same goals with approaching it differently i.e. Private management tied to the right KPIs (Key Performance Indicators) will run the organization more efficiently.
Privatization is ownership, I feel the ownership should be government because this is a public service that is mandatory for a country with a diverse economic base like India and a business decision of profitability should not define the availability and accessibility of this service for the masses.
Good points, love the discussion.
1. Affordable transport to all: People and Goods
Let us realize that we have a huge population that is below the poverty line and depends on the railways for their transport from the place of work, or place of business to their ancestral home. Privatizing it without this mandate can add a lot of suffering and pain to those people. Also, the more profits the Tata's want to make, the more expensive transport of raw materials will be causing inflationacross the country. This will depress the poor even more!
1. I disagree.
You must have seen the competition providing good services to public then of goverment (BSNL) can do, why do you really think that privatization will lead to higher cost, i say NO definately there are leaders in private companies who can lead the entire show in better costing then of PSUs, after all the motive is to provide better service to public who are using the services most, no business man can hurt the person who is giving volume despite the cost.
2. Dependability:
If you cannot depend on the transport to be on time, you will not use it for mission critical work like business/shipping goods. The reason Shatabdi is so popular with business folks is because of timeliness.
2. That is what not only shatabdi can do but after taking the entire portfolio everybody understands the need of the hour, and i understand where the execution is the problem in PSUs will be solved in privatization due to huge fund availability at the lower end to take quick decisions.
3. Efficiency:
In order to provide affordability and dependability at low cost, the organization needs to be run in an efficient manner while being reachable to all. Given the size of the Railways organization, this can be a challenge.
My opinion is that privatization will NOT help Railways. What it needs is a "Professional Management" team that is not corrupt. This professional management team may be outsourced to the Tata's or others, but please do not privatize the whole operation, make profitability the solve objective and cause more pain to bottom of the pyramid.
Privatization is not a solution - it is very easy to shut-down the business if no profits are being made and this important service to the majority of Indians will go away. Or there will need to be a bailout from the government like Chrysler/GM in America - which will only line the pockets of the rich and careless.
3. Decades have shown that the efficency level in private company are doing better then of the PSUs, how can you really challenge it ? There can be low cost, better service and dependability because no one would like to loose business of such a huge structure and a continue business even after lots of deficency which we have always seen by govt.
Privatization has always brought inovation and made histories in the sector of electricity board, telecom sector, BPOs ,NGOs and most of the companies through which our entire economy is dependent.
i do not think that i need to name anybody but its proven that private sector share in the market then of the PSUs is far better in all the sectors.
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There are 3 options 1. Increase the fares. So much so that very few can afford railway 2. Have alternative arrangements as good as railway 3. Reduce population |
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Yes it has been written to disagree because what I want to emphasise is that population is the crux of the problem.
Dear Sir,
I strongly do not agree with your points.
There are 3 options - >
I would tell you there are thousand of options to improve rather than of thinking it on a downside or i can say negatively.
1. Increase the fares. So much so that very few can afford railway
I disagree - It is a service for all the human kind and not the societies, we must workout the mechanism where as lots more can use it with a decreased fare, if the demand will be high then the supplies can be also on higher side than of cutting it off so that no efforts and no profits, and sir as per suggestion you are very well aware that there are ac coaches with higher fares who gives you better services than of 3 tier, it is just not the issue of cutting off or laying off please.
2. Have alternative arrangements as good as railway
I agree but it sounds good after another decade when we will be able to make waterways inside cities as so many devloped places i.e hongkong and singapore, which will be good at fare and the fastest service.
3. Reduce population
Already the things are under control but a minority in backward societies are still going on because of lake in there education and despite this if the services of railway will be same then even there wont be any change.
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Indian Railway is biggest Govt. Organisation to employ more then 5 lac people. Third Largest Land Bank after State govt. & Army Contonment.After many decades,first time in History,Indian Railway employees had enjoy the bonus & dividend.Thanks to Mr.Lalu Prasad Yadav and his skills. In nutshell,their is huge amount of scope in our Indian Railway if we manage or handle at right way.Rather then make it political issue day & night.IF Any Govt. organisation make losses, it been recovered from "Aam Janta" by declaring Sick unit and keep paying from tax revenue.BUT if its make PROFIT,then directly or Indirectly its PAY BACK to aam admi. I strongly feel that Private companies, should enter into this field and give best to the country.There are number of ways they can be involved in Indian Railway like : Public-Private Partnership,Joint Venture,Handling Any ZOne,Running specific Class of Train,Either Good-Carraige trains.OR Handling Shuttle Services in Metro Cities connecting neibhouring cities.Like in MUMBAI LOCAL TRAIN. It has tremendous scope of growth & profitability.TATA & Many other companies has courage & management tools to maintain this organisation.When,Indian BPO (Name undiclosed) sitting @ Gurgaon & Mumbai can handle Entire UK Train system,then why can't we manage our own Indian Railway. regards.........Rajeev Jha
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Tata's may be able to provide better management but still the problem of segregation which breeds inefficiency don't go away. When you manage any public transportation system or infrastructure it must be Paretto Optimal for efficiency. Once these things cannot be made so then whatever one does nobody can dream of creating something others can replicate. To remove segregation in social life India need to do more in lesser time in the economic front. |
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The problem with India is we have a diverse segments of citizen divided in terms of Income, caste, cread and color and they all need the similar services. In this scenario doing business here expecially providing services to satisfy everyones particular needs and constraints is difficult. This is the result of long years of sojourn with socialistic ideas and central planning.
If the Policy makers don't wake up and maintain such risks in the environment the cost of doing business for the return they provide will be very high. In modern systems if one don't weigh benifis to the costs involved can be detrimental in providing the services expected from such business.
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We had seen the TOLL Road concept is successfully working in India and others countries. Peoples are enjoying better infrastructures, better quality roads and facilities on road transport. Ahmedabad to Vadodara express highway… Mumbai to Pune Express Highway etc are the biggest examples of that. We can plan something similar for Indian Railway also. Government can tender for that and award a particular area / zone to private companies like TATA, Essar, Reliance, L & T, Simplex… etc. They will invest their manpower, money & technology to develop better Railway Tracks, comfortable Coaches, Platforms, Automated signals, Bridges… etc and they will also take care for running cost, maintenance... etc. Contracts have to on renewable basis so nobody can misuse it. In my view this is one of the way to develop better railway infrastructure without any financial burden to Indian Government. |
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Dear Mr. Maulik,
Agreed with you but at the same time if you see the details of contract awarded to private companies are not maintained by private companies. Its like come supply & install and take money thats it. I am telling about Suppy, Install, Maintain and earn from that. Renewal system required because any company can misuse this type of contract.
Joint effort required because we cant afford to give a perticular area / zone on private hand ... its a public property.Iit must be a part of indian govenment only. They can invest, maintain and earn.
Dear Sir ( Mr. S B Dikshit),
You are right sir it is not Truck / Bus but now technology is available and its simple to put a small chip in front of railway engine and it will sense by sensor. Whenever rail will cross the station it will sense by a sensor and record by related computer.
Based on number of crossing private companies can claim the money from indian Railway. Amount of per crossing will be based on overall cost of infrastructure, maintenance cost, running cost and number of years.
Indian Government have already lots of segments / areas to improve and we know the revenue generation vs expenses of Indian government. It seems really good if Indian private companies / organizations will take over the infrastructure development and maintenance of Indian Railways.
They can divide the facility in different - different categories and people can enjoy as per their affordability. They can focus on unfocused areas i.e. where rail network is not available and still people are travelling long to reach railway stations. When I was in India I had visited most part of Orissa, Jharkhand, UP, Chhatisgarh, Gujarat & Bihar and I had seen that lots of areas without / weak railway network. Government can award those areas to private companies to develop rail network and share the profit.
It’s not privatization … it’s a joint effort to make better railway infrastructure and provide better service to public. Also it will help to generate extra revenue to Indian Government without any investment & it will help to the growth of Indian economy.
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tatkal wats dis service is all about?paying extra money for what?it was launched wid d view that person who is in urgency of goin sum where will use but it is nothing more than a cash cow for middle man,agents,n travel agent.railway tickets are not available for months.from delhi to patna dere r dozen of trains but you can not get a single ticket widout tatkal quota.why people prefer to board d train with 7 people on a single birth why dey dont refuse to sit,refuse to take waiting tickets,refuse to pay for tatkal quota,why dey do not raise voice for passes given as prasad to govt officials,so called babus,minister why?why still you can not drink water at the stations ca not use public toilets,can not eat anything. is not its d uty of people to raise voice change their attitude. |
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yes Ashish people should come out of this chalta hai attitude,, then only even if something is implemented will be followed up properly and also used by people properly, if not anything will not take shape for that matter...
people must have to change "chalta hai attitude" "ab kya karenge jana to hai na yaar" "what we can do no body will listen".people should unified and demand facilities we pay for the travelling its our right we r not beggars.indian railways feels a sense of monopoly.we have to break it why we fight with the volvo bus staff wen ac is not working why cannot we fight wid d present system we burnt train n stations ocassionaly why is it right.already dere is shortage of trains n infrastructure n we r damaging wat we have who has given right to us to put trains on fire i think dese type of people shld be punished wid at least 4 years of jail wid payment of damages collected from d sell of his asset.people think high world is moving at fast pace preserve wat we have n den demand 4 more if u can not take care of older stuff how can any one provide u wid d new one.
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Tata's can easily enter step at a time. Making Rail coaches better and more efficient is available? Why do they not enter this and such areas. Heritage trains were available did Taj group make any effort? |
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Japan Shah mentioned gaps in customer service and transparency:
There are only two ways to achieve these objectives:
1. Make it mandatory for politicians, bureaucrats and senior management to travel in three tier non a/c if not unreserved at least once in a month. The effect would be immediate and effective, I can assure
2. Bring in competition.
A lot of companies may have the capacity to do so let us not get stuck with CAN.
Group- Tata must reflect initiative and get into such fields after all they may as well have ability to make aircraft yet are they wanting or doing is another matter shall we say.
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Birht's and coaches are must also, we need willingness to imporve our railway system. I don't ever seen leaving few, taking their job seriously. You can see corruption on booking of births, for Leaders, officers and so on. Even coolies covers 10-15% os seats and if you want that seats you have to pay to them even after you bought the tickets. The all procedure is corrupt and need change, and without which railway cant imporve. The railway is our property, for serve us, the people who are travelling and the people working for railway shoud understand their responsibilities for it. From top leaders to groundman and travellers...everyone... |
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Let this thing shouted to the PM, i will surely take it out the corruption if i'm given railways for 30 days. Just Vote Me....(everything seems to be like anil kapoor nayak movie know)
I do agree the corruption, but my dear friend the matter is not on tht micro level, its for the overall management with the matters you shouted.
Just think of the wages they are getting paid, anybody would like to utilize the loop-holes, its not really the corruption.
Indian railways is such a vast network and it's hard to be maintained. The Indian Government have done fairly well to maintain it even to what it is thus far. But there are so many people who take undue advantage of their positions in the field. That will never change. But the management can change. If TATA can take over, it'll be brilliant. I'm sorry to say, but private organizations are much more standardized and efficient. So they can surely improve the Indian railways. Improve everything. This can be a revolution.
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Outdated communication, safety and signaling equipment, need to be updated with the latest technology.
( Though one can’t have a High speed bullet trains for the entire country, which will be far more expensive to the lower income group. Who heavily depends on Railways. Good news is that Indian Railway is already working on five corridors for Bullet Trains) Upgrading stations, coaches, tracks, services, safety, and security Although Indian Railways is now a profitable venture . But impact is yet to be seen. |
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The Indian Railways has enough resources and revenue, but the customer service is missing. There are many issues that the consumer faces but because of monopoly the Railway is enjoying it does not look into it. Even the way the TT answers is very rude and there is no way to get a solution once you step into the train.. The railways must implement something to enhance the customer service and satisfaction... |
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I agree with you, you have exactly pin-pointed the situation.
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Publicly, the demand for railways is far more than the availability of its resources. Railways need not the so called golden tracks because gold is soft than iron, needless to say do you prefer for impurity to mix with golden tracks in order to make it harder inter alia to enable it to improve the capacity of Indian Railways. On the other hand, if you improve the capacity of Indian Railways then you may have down fall problems on the other means of transportations on which a lot of people are getting employment... |
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Indian Railways is controlled by Government of India.The railway is treated as social organization catering to common man.The maintenance of more than 6000 route kilometer is itself a gigantic task.During 60 years after independence,railways has adapted latest technologies whether laying of new track,maintenance,running of trains,reservations,facilities to passegers in the trains and at the stations.Inspite of that incremental profit every year is praise worthy.The surplus after allocation is of course alarming.This can be taken care if better innovative ideas are introduced.The impression by the people particularly middle and upper middle class is that facilities in the railways is not appropriate to the fare charged.But if you compare with other mode of transport it is still charging less.However,this is not the ultimate provision,Indian Railways may selectively go for public participation for few trains like Rajdhani and Shatabdi Express. But to say the least,that TATAS can manage railways profitably keeping its public genre intact is beyong comprehension.For your good information,Indian Railways is managed by young and very cream of UPSC officers and if opportunity provided they can manage Indian Railways far better than any business house in India. P.S. So long as the lot of remaining 60% of the population is improved ,Indian Railways will contnue to operate as social organization. |
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in every toilets of train coaches 2 bathrooms are available from evening 6 o'clk to morning 7 the lights in the bathrooms are continuously glowing so y not to provide a switch in front of every toilet door ,i think it saves a lot of valuable power which used in different important fields?
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