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All roads in Indian states getting deplorable state with lot of pot holes after every monsoon. Is there in idea to repair roads to resist the damage in rains..

 
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1 End corruption in Road building
2 Free Repair under warranty period
3 Develop new specification
4 Periodically replacement of roads
5 Heat BITUMEN properly
6 BE QUALITY MINDED HONESTLY
7 Roads are money making business
8 Soil Testing requied
9 Construct roads with shoulders
10 INDIA NEEDS ENGINEERS WITH MORAL VALUES AND SOCIAL RESPONSIBALITIES .
11 Build Concrete Roads instead of bituminious
12 India needs honest&strong will powered Civil Engineers...bcz lots of R&D already hv been done..
13 Reducing Water staggning
14 PROPER SURFACE AND SUBSURFACE DRAINAGE SYSTEM
15 POLITICAL WILL IS REQUIRED TO AVOID POT HOLES NOT GOOD ENGINEERS ONLY.
16 Time to take action.
17 proper drainage system

End corruption in Road building

idea posted by Basab Ghosh General Manager (Operations), Saipem India Project Ltd.

It is not that we do not have good specifications. CRRI has done a lot of research for better roads. Some of the NHs, specially from Delhi, are witness to that. However, the state PWDs are loath to use the better specifications or engage honest contractors who will build to specs. Using the age old specifications give the PWD engineers to work in cahoots with small dishonest contractors and steal the money allocated for roads.

Proper preparation of subgrade and sub base courses with proper cross slopes and usage of either concrete or properly graded bitumen concrete with well designed wearing course can make the roads much better. We still use 80/100 bitumen, which is too soft for the usage. we need to use 60/70 bitumen in the right quantity (the contractors cheat on this) for the top courses.

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yes i do blieve in the same

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by Barun Jha, Civil Engineer, C&C  | 03 12 2010 10:15:39 +0000

The problem with Indian Roads has nothing to do with absence of any technical specifications. A lot of technical reasons lead to failure of road surface, but we look for a reason only when things have gone out of control.

If we look deeper we'll fine premature failure is often due to faulty execution. Now the question that arises, why we have faulty execution? Is it the absence of skilled work force or technical super vision? Most of the projects have technical supervision one form or another i.e. engineers, supervision consultants, etc.

The root of all problem lies in in a social evil called corruption & no doubt it has got a grip of an octopus on Indian Road Development Sector. Engineers seek a share and contractor seeks more profit and deal is done. Often at the expense of public money.

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This is an ongoing problem even in my country. The main reason is that sub standard works are done on the roads but dishonest engineers report always show that it was done according to the specifications. Too many drawbacks. The systems are too corrupted. However, this problem could be minimised if the right people are placed in the right positions...meaning honest and loyal to your country.

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Free Repair under warranty period

idea posted by N. NAGESHWARAN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, M/s. KEC INTERNATIONAL LTD. (an RPG group)

All tender works to be binded with a clause that for a stipulated period of 2 - 5 years what ever type of damages arrises excluding vehicular accidents, has to be under taken free of cost by the contractor within a given period of time. And to get this implemented an amount of 15% of the total tender value to be with held by govt. (PWD) for the period 2-5yrs and the same has to be released only on completion of the period.

This will not only raise the quality of construction but also a fear would be established among contractor as well as the leasing authority to keep them out of malpractices.

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Develop new specification

idea posted by Reni sebastian Assistant Engineer, State government of Keralam

In india there is lot of IRC specification for roads. But after every repair pot holes will be there after the monsoon. It should be studied throughly and develop a new specification that match with the requirement.

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The roads laid does not have camber firstly. secondly, the shoulders are not done propoerly for draining the water etc. to the sides. as you can see whenever there is rain all water is on the road.

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by varsha , Head/VP/GM-Quality, frac  | 10 24 2009 04:34:01 +0000

yes.. i do agree with your comment reni and pragya..development of new specification could help in preventing the damages.

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by Pragya Kothari, Construction-Heavy, DLF  | 10 23 2009 13:19:53 +0000

There are always some weak points in the lands which sustains even after the construction of roads is over. They can be very well detected while construction of the road only. These are the areas one should work on and should make them resistant and strong so that they don't get any damage even after the rainfall is over...

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Periodically replacement of roads

idea posted by Pragya Kothari Construction-Heavy, DLF

I think Government should change the replace old roads with new ones over a regular period of time. Say, after every 2 years the roads can be changed. In this way, not only roads will become more strong and holes will be repaired but the new holes won't come so early because of previously made strong bases of layers of roads...

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Iagree to your suggestion, but economy should be taken care.for this purpose roads must be designed as per the soil conditions at site and the designed specifications must be strictly followed.This may improve the quality of roads.Offcourse this must be curroption free.

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Heat BITUMEN properly

idea posted by C Nijagunaradhya Planning engineer, Aarvee associates

The contractors dont heat the bitumen to the temperature to which it has to be heated i.e, 140-160 c. The temperature of bitumen is a critical factor.

Proper subgrade tests need to be done at regular intervals. Subgrade also has a major role in stiffness.

In US , roads are laid keeping in view the monsoon i.e, by collecting data from the rain guage stations for each and every state. But here.......

The govt thinks that constructing roads means just give TENDERS & then the person who wins the contract has made lots of......

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I am working in UP. Here no Engineering Deptt is aware regarding quality. Quality is only in books. Lucknow is capital of UP, here one prestigious  (lohia path) project is under construction but in last four yeari i have never seen using of sensor during laying of BM/DBM and SDBC/BC.  Bitumen heated in open drums, it is general practice. What temperature required, no site supervisor knows. During heating,  Bitumen either under heated are over heated it is no matter. Higher officers only wants to know how much money spent by department in last one month. Department only trying to keep in mind that how much lengths are blacktopped.

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BE QUALITY MINDED HONESTLY

idea posted by SB DIKSHIT STATE QUALITY MONITOR, U.P.R.R.D.A

All the contractors should work as honest quality minded person/companies,sothat only after 5 years after construction maintenance is required and that should also be done very honestly.

As far as IRC code is concern that if followed actualy then there will not be any requirement of changing,only addition of researches are required,

For bitumin there are researches done by adding some chemicals to give good results,apart from emulsion .

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by Vivek Singh, Project Manager, L&T  | 11 13 2009 02:47:41 +0000

Being quality minded is, I think, a better approach as an attempt to batter evils like corruption.

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Yes requirement of Quality minded persons without indulging in bribery etc is required to do a sensible and quality job. It is not restricted upto only planning, execution engineers but also the management.

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Roads are money making business

idea posted by Hardeep Dobal Project Engineer, Shah Technical Consultants

Main problem is subletting of contracts to small contractors to whom quality does not matter. But u may observe that these days numbers of pot holes had decrease its due quality controls checks. For proper road sub base is very improtant and good binding mixtures so that there is minimum damage due to rain with proper maintanance. We can also go for rubber mix buitmen for road.

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by Ajay Ziz, Dy. Registrar,, University of Jammu  | 11 18 2009 05:40:21 +0000

is it true hardeep that PWD makes roads on paper , encashes the bills from tresaury...( share commission )

 

and what we have holes and holoes , potholes on roads and now black holes

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Soil Testing requied

idea posted by N. NAGESHWARAN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, M/s. KEC INTERNATIONAL LTD. (an RPG group)

For laying a good road with long duration lasting a sampling of soil from various places to be done before floating tender and the received submittals to studied well and the tender should be awarded to only such contracxtor who bind to the requirements. QA /QC from both sides to work and make their reports. If required third party inspection and certification to be implemented.

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Construct roads with shoulders

idea posted by Mohammad Bakhsh Project Leader/Managing Consultant, Freelancer

i agree with Mrs. Pragya Kothari for regular maintenance of roads.But i find roads are generally constructed without shoulders.Body without limbs.i appeal profeessionals to come up with specifications so that roads may not suffer for debility particularly in monsoon.

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by shyam sunder chaudhary, CFO, Real Estate  | 10 25 2009 13:06:35 +0000

road can be prepared properly provided we have long term vision and to keep the ineterest of nation on top and with proper planning .

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INDIA NEEDS ENGINEERS WITH MORAL VALUES AND SOCIAL RESPONSIBALITIES .

idea posted by rakeshbhatnagar GM Projects., wig brothers india pvt.ltd.
INDIA NEEDS ENGINEERS WITH MORAL VALUES AND SOCIAL RESPONSIBALITIES,BUT FIRST OF ALL WE NEED TO CHANGE THE POLITICAL SEEN. SO THE POLITICAL WILL MAY HELPBUILD GOOD INFRA STRUCTURES EVERYWHERE.
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by Vivek Singh, Project Manager, L&T  | 12 20 2010 03:58:43 +0000

....lot of them....in all the spheres of life

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by ujjval jain, Retail, Retail  | 12 19 2010 17:04:29 +0000

People with moral values seems to be the most scare,,,as the present scenario tells,,,,really we need such people...a lot of them!

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Build Concrete Roads instead of bituminious

idea posted by G Ajay Rao Civil Engineer-Other, GCC

Concrete Roads are

1. Maintenance Free

2. Energy Saving - Less consumption of fuel

3. Environment Friendly - Flyash can be used.

4. Lesser Pollution - Due to faster movement of Vehicles

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Concrete Roads are suitable for Street Roads only. In Expressway and National Highways, Bituminous Roads are giving more luxury to the passengers. Because Bituminous Roads are Flexible pavements. But Concrete Roads are Rigid pavements. It requires Expansion joints which will give jerk to passengers. Cement has used in Buildings, Dams, Structures etc., But Bituminous has used only in Roads. If we use Cement in Roads then where we dump the Bitumen.

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India needs honest&strong will powered Civil Engineers...bcz lots of R&D already hv been done..

idea posted by akhilesh chandra yadav Asst. Manager/Manager (Technical), ircon international limited

The pathetics conditions of any infrastructral projects is only beause in our country we can find good contractors but can never find good civil engineers...who are always ready to compromise with their conscience & engineering senses....lots of R&D works hv been done in the research laboratories bt nothing is practiced in the fields bcz of poor management & will power.....if we be able to execute half of the reseach results at site there shall be no potholes on the road..n no building shall collapse......

but who are responsible for poor conscience of civil engineers...right from the college days we are told that ohh u r civil engineer...definitely u will get lots of black money once u get job....like this everybody around the civil engineer tell the same & accordingly a mindset is created for earning bad money..and compromise with quality.....if by chance any new engineer tries to execute new trends at site then he is discouraged by seniors in such a way that...either he stops doing such things n join them or been killed...or leaving the job...bt he dosnt find a single person to stand by him.....the nexus of corrupt engineers is so strong that no body can break them......

further, at pwd levels the contractors available are either kith n kin of politicians or real goondas....so it realy becomes very dangerous to expect anythng from them......poor pwd engineers...they cant change anythng...........

so ultimate solution is so stop the contactorship system for small valued work and pwd departments should do them departmentally by employing their own manpower n machineries...so that role of small contractors shall be finished...for big valued projects tendering syatem should be followed..bcz big construction firms are nt that much morally down...n even role of consultants..may also help....but now a days consultants for construction projects are also being succeptible to corrupt practices like pwds.....

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Reducing Water staggning

idea posted by Hardeep Dobal Project Engineer, Shah Technical Consultants

Roads are generally damaged due to stagning of water at various points. Hence proper removal of rain water should b planned. For example expressway can be taken where required slopes are maintain so that there is no water storage thus reducing water effect on bitumine.

 

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PROPER SURFACE AND SUBSURFACE DRAINAGE SYSTEM

idea posted by STEPHEN SELVAKUMAR.J Assistant Construction Manager - Highways
Pot holes are formed due to settlement of layers which is just lower to Bituminous course. It is occured due to improper Drainage system for Surface as well as Subsurface water. In Express Carriageway one Granular Sub-base (GSB) layer is provided inbetween WMM and Subgrade. This layer should having Granular materials used to drainout the Surface/Subsurface water and kept the upper Bituminous layers and lower soil layers in dry.
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POLITICAL WILL IS REQUIRED TO AVOID POT HOLES NOT GOOD ENGINEERS ONLY.

idea posted by rakeshbhatnagar GM Projects., wig brothers india pvt.ltd.
NO ONE CAN BUILD GOOD ROADS TILL THERE IS A POLITICAL WILL OF DOING SO.THIS IS A VERY TOUGH SITUATION TO EXPECT IT'S LIKE WALKING ON WATER , BUT THIS CAN ONLY HELP.
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Time to take action.

idea posted by ujjval jain Retail, Retail

Make officials, contractors etc pay for it. Sack them, debar them, penalize them. There can be no excuses to what went wrong.

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proper drainage system

idea posted by pvsraju Construction-Construction Management,

Main problem for pot holes on road is mainly due to water stagnation if proper champher and drainage facilities are provided we can reduce pot holes

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