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Started by : Sumit Singh, Construction-Heavy, Sobha Developers   11 27 2009 12:53:20 +0000
Industry : ConstructionFunctional Area : Innovation(Strategy & Execution)
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Good concrete can be obtained by using a wide variety of mix proportions if proper mix design procedures are used. I have heard that many builders use many different mix proportions to build a concrete.  What are recommended mix proportions for good concrete?

I would be great if you share your ideas........

 
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1 Water-cementitious materials ratio
2 Its not a fair quesion..common
3 What are recommended mix proportions for good concrete?
4 Making good concrete is more of art than science
5 CRACKS IN CONCRETE
6 Criteria for mix proportions of good concrete.
7 Chemical admixtures
8 W/C ratio, properties of d material used in d design & admixture
9 Economical compatibility along with strength requirement & durability
10 W/C ratio

Water-cementitious materials ratio

idea posted by Venkatesh M Warehouse Manager, Larsen and Toubro


According to me I feel Water-cementitious materials ratio is the best mix proportion. Many researchers have also concluded that the most important variable in achieving high-strength concrete is the water-cement ratio. However, most high-strength concretes contain binding materials other than cement. Consequently, the water-cementitious materials ratio must be considered instead of the water-cement ratio where the cementitious materials include cement, fly ash, silica fume, and GGBFS as appropriate. In general, as the water-cementitious materials ratio decreases, the concrete compressive strength increases.

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by Makrand Bhave, AGM - Corporate Business, E18, part of Network 18 Group  | 11 28 2009 04:23:05 +0000

Thanks for the referral Venkatesh!! I am not in anyway connected to this profession except in the form of my living in concrete house :)) Thanks for the referral though and I support you in your thought / idea here.

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Its not a fair quesion..common

idea posted by Vivek Singh Project Manager, L&T

All the ideas are just generic and they cant be anything else. Do you really think that there is some proportion which will fit all the requirements? If yes then pleas go back to texy books. Concrete proportioning depends upon:

Characteristic Strength requirements (grade of concrete)

Early strength requirement (removal of formwork, shifting-in precast work, stressing-in PSC etc)

Durability requirements (quality of air, water etc and structure's exposure o them)

Method of concreting (manual, pump, crane & bucket, screed, PCC etc)

Pouring conditions (Pavement, underwater, thin elments, complicated geometries-self compacting)

Now tell me which proportion will suit them all?

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What are recommended mix proportions for good concrete?

idea posted by Muluken Belayneh Structural Engineer-Building, GT Consulting Engineers

Proportion of ingredients to get good quality of concrete mix is essential hence,

Concrete ingredients should be selected to make the most economical and having the required strength, workability, and durability. 

To know whether these properties are attained to the required level or  the maximum water-cement ratio or minimum cement content to produce the required strength will determined by laboratory tests therefore, you should need to established basic laboratory tests, by taking cubic samples of different proportions until you get the required strength by actual trial and adjustment in the field,

 Mix proportion should be selected to produce concrete with:-

                       -The stiffest consistency

                       -The maximum size of aggregate economically available & work type.

                       -Adequate durability.

                       -Sufficient strength

                 (As per the requirement of the project work since there are different grades of concretes)                         

Note that: For different environmental condition the concrete character well not matching at all and the ratio of concrete ingredients worked say for India may not work for Ethiopia because so many environmental influencing factors like temperature etc.

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Making good concrete is more of art than science

idea posted by Ravneet Singh Bhatia Owner, Infrastructure Project Management Group

Making of good concrete is an art, for which science can be used,

there is alwaya a variance in basic constituents(materials) and soft conditions(daily temprature/ moisture conditions/ concrete timings/ chemistry of ingradients).

With these dynamic variance, you can not have a general formulae of ingadients, but if the concrete manufacturer is aware of role of each parameter, he can definetly provide good conrete mix.

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by Vivek Singh, Project Manager, L&T  | 02 27 2010 02:52:26 +0000

I agree that concrete making is an art, but based upon the knowledge of its science. A good concrete design must be started with proper calculations and then adjusted according to inferences drawn both by tests and visual observations. For example bleeding, seggregation, grittyness (lack or excess of fines) can not be measured and slump should not be guessed. Also while testing slump the cohesiveness can be observed. Ultimate is the strength. Putting all these observations and tests together changes shall be made in the mix, if required. 

So if you dont know how to calculate proportions you can not start and if you are not well acquainted with concrete you can not finish. But at the same time it is difficult to say that is it MORE an art or MORE a science.

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CRACKS IN CONCRETE

idea posted by ramesh r.ghorpade Construction-General Building, jairaj construction
CRACKS IN CONCRETE ARE DUE TO SO MANY REASON MAINLY 1 SHRINKAGE IN SAND 2 CURING 3 MIXING IS NOT PROPER
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Criteria for mix proportions of good concrete.

idea posted by Abdul Quaiyoom Mansoor Civil Engineering, ND Lea Canada in association with CEMAT Consultant (P) Ltd Nepal and Soil Test (P) Ltd Nepal

The question "Recommended mix propotion is vague". First it should be clear for what purpose the concrete is to be used. Is it used in beam, slab, column or foundation?, ie what is the recommended ultimate/working strength? In other word its characteristic strength.

First it is necessary to identify the purpose of the concrete to be used, ie its characteristic strength as explained above. Then according to which code or specifiction or by what method of mix design is to be adopted eg. IS, BS, ASTO etc.

At last the qualities of ingradients ie, cement type, sand, aggregate, moisture in sand and aggregate and  quality of water will  determine mix proportions for a good concrete. 

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Chemical admixtures

idea posted by Sumit Singh Construction-Heavy, Sobha Developers

Water-reducers or high-range water-reducers are essential in high-strength concrete to ensure adequate workability while achieving a low water-cementitious materials ratio. Retarding admixtures may also be used. The optimum dosage of an admixture or combination of admixtures should be determined by trial mixtures using varying amounts of each additive. It is also important to be sure that admixtures are compatible when used in combination.

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W/C ratio, properties of d material used in d design & admixture

idea posted by Tanvir Parves Ahmed Civil Engineer-Highway Roadway, Industrial, QA/QC Engineers India Ltd

Mix designs doesnt hav any fixed rcomended mix proportions. coz place 2 place materials varies n dats why its properties also varies.  Properties of the material plays a very vital role in d mix design. Dats why mix proportion of same grade of concrete varies place 2 place.

Mix design only hav some recomended guide lines like max. water cement ratio, min. cement content (in some cases max. also) n properties of aggregate n other materials which u can find in IS:456 & MOSRTH. 4 properties of d aggregate u can check IS: 383 & MOSRTH also. 4 mix design procedures u can check IS:10262 & SP:23 whatever u prefer allthough volumetric method is nt metioned dere.

Now back 2 admixture part, admixture is mainly used as a water reducing agent 2 increase d workability of the concrete. Depending upon d purpose sometimes returder, high early strength admixture, etc are used.

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Economical compatibility along with strength requirement & durability

idea posted by Biranchi Narayan Acharya Chief Manager (Projects), Simplex Infrastructures Ltd
Mix proportion depends upon available raw materials, strength requirement & durability & there is no definite proportion that can be called universal.
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W/C ratio

idea posted by Sibasis Dash Civil Engineering Expert, STUP consultants Pvt. Ltd.
According to the strength required suitable proportion of w/c ratio is required to increase the strength & durability.
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