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Started by : Pragya Kothari, Construction-Heavy, DLF   02 10 2010 13:33:45 +0000
Industry : ConstructionFunctional Area : Homes(Personal Interests)
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Buildings, like all structures, are designed to support certain loads without deforming excessively. The loads are the weights of people and objects, the weight of rain and snow and the pressure of wind--called live loads--and the dead load of the building itself. With buildings of a few floors, strength generally accompanies sufficent rigidity, and the design is mainly that of a roof that will keep the weather out while spanning large open spaces.

With tall buildings of many floors, the roof is a minor matter, and the support of the weight of the building itself is the main consideration. Like long bridges, tall buildings are subject to catastrophic collapse. The recent cases we saw of this kind of incidents were the Hydrabad accident killing 13 people and the Bellary,Karnataka building collapse killing 5 people on Jan 27 .

So friends, according to you, what are the major factors for a building collapse?

 
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1 Bad Design
2 Unskilled labours on site
3 Cost Cutting, Usage of non standard material, "Chalta Hai" attitude
4 Ignorance in design review and Poor supervision
5 DEPENDENCY ON SOFTWARES
6 Attitude of People and their perception
7 Negligence
8 A combination of many factors
9 The methodology behind the design is not realised when executing work
10 Quality Assurance / Quality Control
11 foundation failures
12 bad structure design and Ignorance in Quality of materials
13 Un authorised repairs
14 Ignorance of design & specifications
15 improper mix and early deshuttering
16 Low Quality / Standards of Construction Materials

Bad Design

idea posted by Pragya Kothari Construction-Heavy, DLF

Bad design does not mean only errors of computation, but a failure to take into account the loads the structure will be called upon to carry, erroneous theories, reliance on inaccurate data, ignorance of the effects of repeated or impulsive stresses, and improper choice of materials or misunderstanding of their properties. The engineer is responsible for these failures, which are created at the drawing board.

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True Pragya.........

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I supports Bad design, If the base is not correct then what do you expect of the rest

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Every aspect of construction attributes to design and I agree that poor design is the major reason for failure of structures. Massive structures developed in sprawling land but the soil testing is not done as per BIS guideline or nobody checks the quality and procedure adopted in obtaining this test report. Proper understanding of soil mechanics is most important aspect for design. The design also prepared based on number of assumptions due to lack of relevant data. If the assumptions are correct, then the design is also correct. Besides, mix design plays important role in attaining design strength which is some times ignored on site works. In my opinion, factors other than design are not so important in failure of structures. I also like to mention that the Civil engineering students should thought one chapter on the "History of Collapses" for enhancement of their knowledge. 

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Unskilled labours on site

idea posted by C Nijagunaradhya Planning engineer, Aarvee associates

All the labours may not have proper knowledge of material, kind of application, timing, importance of curing, proper covering to reinforcement etc,. . Also we notice child labours who are almost like freshers . 

In addition to design, i think various onsite factors are also responsible for deterioration of structure.

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by Anjali Sinha, Construction-Heavy, Sobha Developers  | 02 19 2010 12:49:42 +0000

Good idea Nijagunaradhya. And I agree with Chander nice points. Short and sweet but valid.

Thanks for sharing.....

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by Chander Pawa, Civil Engineer  | 02 11 2010 11:29:44 +0000

The basic reason for building collapse is unskilled labour and careless attitude of the Supervisiory staff beside lack of practical knowledge.

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by malladi madhukumar, AGM -MKTG, Andhra Cements Ltd  | 02 11 2010 09:18:20 +0000

Time and again we have been discussing on Toostep about shortage of skileed labour. Skilled labour can not be produced overnight. It requires lot of training. Practicle as well as theoriatical konwledge.

In view of the above from childhood a person should be supported with necessary knowledge which during his studies (student) period makes him learn his trade and in longrun deliver skilled work.

 

 

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Cost Cutting, Usage of non standard material, "Chalta Hai" attitude

idea posted by Narendra Dabade Project Head, Maruthi Conatruction Company

In order to save on cost, safety, durability, technical supervision etc are totally neglected.

There is total absence of technical superintendence and quality assurance.

Big time builders are hiring non technical personnel for supervision. Even PMC !!!. In medical jargon, such people are termed "quacks"!!!. They are in the field of civil Engg from a pretty long time.

If technically ignorant personnel are manning our projects, how can there by checks to ensure conformity of the materials with the specs?

Most importantly, chalta hai attitude has to go.

Civil Engineers and Civil Engg firms should desist from employing unqualified personnel. Not even for supervising curing.

 

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by Suraj Sinha, Propritor, SRS Structure  | 03 01 2010 17:52:54 +0000

Failure due to Design is minimum or designed by so called non Structural Engineers .The other reasons could be the difference of intended use of structures as in some case terrace is used for gardening which was not told at time of design.Designs are copied to other site which has less SBC & different water table.As socity we are suceptible to hire Structural Engineers for saving fees .we rely on mason .PMC without Civil certificate engineers.Some times we use different Back ground engineers.Failure reasons are least importance of site & engineering Practice.We say i have done this and it not failed at other site.Value to each activity is important.    

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I agree with you. In fact there should be specific clause in agreements of the consulting and construction firms regarding qualification and experience of the engineers and supervisors. The defaulting firms should be proceeded against for a logical conclusion. Only firm action can control the unsrupulous.

Manmohan Singh Sikand

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Ignorance in design review and Poor supervision

idea posted by Saleel Deshpande Sr.Architectural Co-ordinator, Dar Al-Handasah(Shair and Partners)

I agree to all the reasons mentioned here in this ideate, but to me the most important aspect is : while designing a structure in the design stage it should go through a series of quality check, the design parameters are to be checked,if they are not passed through proper quality and parameter check how does one expect that it (structure) should stand up and avoid failure. Secondly we all agree that because of unskilled labour the structure can fail but unskilled labours appointed on the site is the  first reason for failure and we say we dont have skilled labours ---responsible the organisation, and upon that poor supervision by foremans and civil engineers on site, these guys are either short of proper knowledge of how to do and when to do and what to do sequence or are carelss or too much dependent on the UNSKILLED LABOURS, again  the responsibility is of the organisation.

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It is important that work of one engineer is reviewed by another and preferably by his senior to ensure that mistakes are reduced. How ever to classify collapse of building in catagories like during construction and during its sevice life is futile. An incompetant designer or an incompetant supervisor can be responsible for failure. The safety factor is sufficient and this margin can not be assigned to compensate design errors only.

It is for this reason that I have recommended registeration of engineers to prohibit incompetent engineers from working in construction industry. I would further add that engineers should also have compulsory insurance to cover the risk for the professional failures. Only accountability can reduce failures and assigning any specific error in design or construction is not possible.

Manmohan Singh Sikand

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by feroz mohd, Site Engineer, Royal Group  | 02 15 2010 15:59:03 +0000

Collapse of a building at its construction stage and that during its service period may not be of the same reason, and here we are definitely refering to collapse during its service period, which is the result of unprofessional way of executing a project.The designer cant be blamed for this, nor shall the labours be blamed.The major problems faced during execution such as ignorance for quality and lack of knowledge and proper decision making at crucial stages in the site has to be overcome.Faulty construction habits shall be avoided and quality assurane shall be made mandatory and the authorities shall be involved. As far as the designer is concerned, he shall be producing a design based on the code and all standards met, and his design is being approved before its being implemented.So there shouldnt be any issues with the design.

Improper execution can cause immediate damage or damage in the long run.

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I would fully endorse that a building collapse is an abnormal achievement for any civil engineer and the project manager who controls the expenditure, deployment of man power, procurement of material and interaction with client and consultant is fully responsible for such failer. He is supposed to point out prior to actual execution regarding any shortcomming or error. It is futile to blame others after the failure. Every construction company has a line of command and the project managers should be provided every possible help to overcome site problems. I think that when it comes to any decision relating to his site, his recommendation should be given maximum weightage and in case it needs to be over ruled, he should be fully convinced regarding deficiencies in his recommendation.

It is very important that the construction activity is handled by responsible/ Qualified engineers and a system of professional licence incorporated. In case of failure the issue should not be brushed aside and such engineers labled and prevented from future wrong doings. This also applies to the consulting engineers and unregistered consultants should be banned from future practice.

Manmohan Singh Sikand

 

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DEPENDENCY ON SOFTWARES

idea posted by Elamathy. J Freelancer, Freelancer

Nowadays, professional practices have taken the line of business. So, the heads of professional organisations, firms, have taken the role of business heads.

And, the deliverables are depend on the employees capabilities. No one in todays trends analyse the design factors manually. They feed the input in design software & take the print out.

The softwares context & constraints are beyond the understanding of the employees who learn it & use it invariably for all situations. In fact, all the softwares are developed by foreign nationals, which may perfectly work for its intended context.

One of the major mishap is, In Indian scenario, exercising the right roles & responsibilities of professionals at various levels are missing. Everyone at their level become managers (mobilising & keeping the things moving).

So, collectively, white collar approach, lack of skill & knowledge, substandard quality - altogether causes the failure.

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You are right. Now a days the young design engineers are not fully aware of the Manual designs and analysis of structure from first principles. As they are familiarized by the computer softwares. The output has to be verified once again for any costly mistakes. I feel this is not being done by most of them.

When they are being proof checked by other structural consultants/ firms through conventional means, some costly errors are seeing the light. If they also put their stamp on them, they will be surfaced on during postmortem.

The time given for preparation of designs often not sufficient in the speedy world. Hurriedly prepare and leisurely repent.

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Attitude of People and their perception

idea posted by Srinivas S.Mantrala, PMP Executive Engineer, A.P.S.Police Housing Corporation

Since u have referred the Hyderabad building collapse at Narayanguda. I strongly feel that this is purely a case of over confidence of the Builder, basic ignorance of load assesment and strength of the Existing old structure on which 2 floors are takenup. May be the absence of SBC assesment etc., The greed of the developer to build more area and more floors without giving any thought whether the old building underneath can withstand or not. People and Authorities, Media, Intellectuals every one of us will wake up only when one incident happens. and Our memory is very short. we all discuss the issue and leave it just like that. "Chalta Hai, Chalane do" attitude will ultimately landup in this kind of situations. No one bothers about importance of structural consultant or structural aspects before start of building. People depend more on the Mason's "Knowledge and his Free advise based on his experience"than to take a paid advise from structural consultants. Even Well educated people and People in high offices are no exception to this attitude. 

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The most important aspect of our lives is our attitude. If we treat another human being with dignity and respect, we can bring prosperity to our society , and then we enjoy a better standard of living in body, mind and spirit. Unfortunately, this philosophy is very much missing in today's society. Technological and scientific developments can not boost up our moral values without which we all look miserable.

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Absolutely right....you have hit the nail on the head Mr.Srinivas...I agree with you.

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Negligence

idea posted by Atul Joshi Assistant General Manager-Business Development, Flexican Bellows and Hoses Pvt.Ltd.

Negligence in 1) Following the design 2) in using proper materials 3) use of proper procedures 4) taking into consideration all the relevant factors mentioned and advised in the design 5) not providing proper time for each process to be completed and many such reasons

Not doing the proper DUE DILIGENCE in all aspects of the building construction leads to failures.

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A combination of many factors

idea posted by Basab Ghosh General Manager (Operations), Saipem India Project Ltd.

There are many factors which contribute to a building failure, most of the time more than one such factors combine to effect the failure. Most of these have already been pointed out singly, but I shall attempt to add one or two more:

1. Starting at the begining, proper soil survey is essential before embarking on a building design. For highly seismic areas, the dynamic properties of soil and site specific response spectra are also to be established. Of course, the design offices should have qualified personnel with ability to interprete the field results.

2. Adequate design - It is important to understand the behaviour of the structure under various loading conditions and use optimum design tools to correctly model, analyze and design the structural elements and the structure as a whole. Merely using a sophisticated software is not enough, engineers should be knowledgeable enough to understand whether the results spewed out by the software are correct or not and be able to vet these results with rough hand calculations. The details in the drawings produced must also be true to the design principles applied. E.G. ductile joint detailing, bar curtailments at proper locations, etc. Knowledge of construction sequence is also very essential for a sound design. Building designs must also keep a margin for unforeseen overloads and future expansion. Concrete structures are not very amenable to changes in usage unless provisions are kept while designing.

3. Quality Construction - It is absolutely necessary to translate not only the drawings but also the design intent from the drawings to the ground. There must be tight quality control of the material & construction and adherence to the construction sequence envisaged in the design. Use of the right men, material and machine is a must for quality construction.

4. Avoid cost cutting by cutting corners - Engineers and Architects must resist pressure from developers for cost cutting by cutting corners, using cheap and inadequate materials, tools and / or personnel. Consultants trying to cut their cost by not deploying adequate (in knowledge and number) technical personnel to the job is very common and needs to be guarded against.

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by Barun Jha, Civil Engineer, C&C  | 03 15 2010 05:13:09 +0000

Agree with Mr. Ghosh. The causes are more than one. Absence of soil investigation, poor design, Faulty execution, use of low quality materials, cost cutting made to make irrational profit, lack of experienced skilled workforce, etc. Construction industry in itself is very different, there are a host of variable that effects a single leg of an activity and it increases the complexity.

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The methodology behind the design is not realised when executing work

idea posted by Winston Nicholas fernandez Project Engineer, ETA ASCON

Be it concrete, steel, wood or any material, the work needs to be executed as it was designed to be. e.g., while placing concrete is the slump the same as it was expected to be as recommended, Are water stops placed properly and do they retain their profile while concrete is poured? In totality the work executed on site matches only 40% the procedure or method statement, due to ignorance and haste

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Quality Assurance / Quality Control

idea posted by Chandramouli Sr. Manager - QS & Contracts

Most of the builders/contractors are not following the QA/QC. If at any construction site properly maintaining the QA/QC means there is no collapse/loss/damage etc....

Every contractor/builder should show his professionalism by maintaining the QA/QC.

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by jaymeen , Freelancer, Freelancer  | 02 22 2010 15:01:50 +0000

I think QA/QC is very important at site. All drawing board details should transform in reality without any compromise.

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foundation failures

idea posted by A. Krishna Murthy Civil Engineer, Irrigation Projrcts, Buildings.
Most of them are due to foundation failures. Builders / owners give least or no importance to safe bearing capacity of the foundation soil, and they dont bother to go for soil testing.
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bad structure design and Ignorance in Quality of materials

idea posted by SUMIT TRIPATHI Project Architect, Larsen & Toubro Limited
We can say that bad design is responsible but lack of consentration and poor quality materials like concrete,steel and also testing of materials at regular intervals
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Un authorised repairs

idea posted by Reni sebastian Assistant Engineer, State government of Keralam

In my experience , i feel many times this. Owner will get a minor repair permit from the ULB and will replace the walls or make pillers or beams with out sufficient safety measures , although the construction is illegal and violation of rules they will do it as speedy and unhealthy and unsafely conditions.

This will leads to hazards..

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Ignorance of design & specifications

idea posted by Kanta Prasad Director

The shuttering is removed before the design period to complete the project in hurry which results collapse etc. Careless during the laying of reinforcement basically supervisors don't give there full time during the  reinforcement.

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improper mix and early deshuttering

idea posted by Ganesh Avhad Site Engg, Ajmera constructions

The mix used /prepared on sie is not in proportion .the matrial uaed is of low standard whose testing is not carried out.The cubes sent for testing are made of seperate mix .

 also the shuttering is removed early that in wrong manner.As for cantilevers the supporting is removed from cantilever end, thus reverse stresses are indused resulting in failure.

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Low Quality / Standards of Construction Materials

idea posted by vipin a r QA/QC Engineer, Thai Jurong Engineering Ltd

One aspect is the materials used for construction. Are they adequate for the life expectancy and safety of the building?

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