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Started by : Rashmi Chawla, Cust. Service Manager, Leading Bank   01 07 2010 08:07:15 +0000
Industry : BankingFunctional Area : India(Markets)
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We have seen a lot of postings on financial inclusions for urban poor but none of us is noticed that there are always some problems associated in the applications of anything for the first time. I mean, the market of urban area and rural area are completely different. We can't apply the same laws in both the places. Thats why I want to ask you people what according to you are the obstacles in generating financial inclusion for Urban Poor?

 
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1 Urban banks are not willing to provide such facilities...
2 Problems in networking...
3 Government policies from independence
4 CUSTOMISATION OF SERVICES
5 Sponsor urban poor entrepreneurs for credit, support them with training and followup
6 URBAN POOR DOES NOT HAVE OR ABLE TO ACCESS THE FINANCIAL INFRASTURE AVAILABLE TO OTHER MIDDLE CLASS
7 system that works
8 NOT SOCIALLY INCLUDED
9 LACK OF BASIC EDUCTION IN BANKING
10 Security aspect
11 The age-old fudal mentality - antiPoor approach

Urban banks are not willing to provide such facilities...

idea posted by Swati Raut Product Manager, Aviva

The KYC(Know your customer) formalities are only used as a convenient tool to block access to banking services to the urban poor. The real problem lies elsewhere. It is not the fear of risk involved but the fear of additional work involved. It lies in the unwillingness on the part of banks in urban areas to provide such services as it means more footfalls, more record-keeping, more work in general. This is just not acceptable. Firstly, there has to be a top-down approach in each bank to bring about an attitudinal change in this regard. Secondly, there has to be greater publicity and awareness among this section of the urban population about the availability of banking services.

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by Amit , Student, IIT Delhi  | 01 15 2010 18:26:40 +0000

this is true that the banks in urban area are not supporting the poor ppl. i have seen that that the peson frm a rich family  is using banks very easily and a poor one faces a lots of probs.

it is also true that our govt. aslo avoiding this bcoz frm the past that loan facilities in rural area are easier than urban. in rural area if you are planning to start a plant then you will get loan at cheaper rate and wihtout any trouble.

 

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In respect to "Financial Inclusion", banks are to take the major initiatives. Agree ... but does this mean others are 'required' to sleep ? Do we suggest that KYC norms are implemented by RBI only to be ignored ?

In case of Insurance and other financial services, there are almost no hassle with urban poor becoz they may not require them .. !! But mainly PSU banks are to deal with the rich and poor both at the same time. Have ever thought that none comes ahead as far as poors are concerned ( not to speak of any Private / MNC financial service companies .. !!). Then why do blame the staff of ( PSU ? ) Banks alone ?

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I agree with Swati here...However would like to add some points of Risk association and the net margin while in terms of running the business in the rural areas...Also the knowledge factor will surely play a very vital role where the private sector and banks has to do a ver hard job by letting the village polulation know what are their exact requirement and to map it with the right kind of product available in the market...I think cost factor and resources mobilisation also play a key role whih the huge cost is involve which is also stopping the private people not to start their operation...I think Government has to come ahead and start the work by starting the new network and by showing the progress which may lure the private people to follow them...

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Problems in networking...

idea posted by Rashmi Chawla Cust. Service Manager, Leading Bank

Basically, there is a difference between the rural poor and the urban poor as far as proof of identity and address are concerned. In a village, almost everyone knows about everyone in the village, whereas in the urban areas, one may not know who one’s neighbor is let alone be convinced of the identity and address of the urban poor. This, therefore, implies that if the instructions to banks are easy to apply in rural areas, they are not necessarily so in urban areas.

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by Arup Chakraborty, Managing Consultant  | 01 08 2010 22:14:15 +0000

Agree with you Rashmi. I guess the main issue is Urban poor comprises of migrant labour from remote areas of the country and Banks see this as a big risk when it comes to recovery of the same.

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Government policies from independence

idea posted by Mathew Cherian Research Associate/Analyst, Western Michigan University

If government is reluctant to give welfare, social insurance and equality as the prototype on which they generate policies, the poor has no chance other than live as they are already doing.

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Also, they must include "just society" norms.

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CUSTOMISATION OF SERVICES

idea posted by Sanjeev Tripathi Product/Brand Manager, Zavicare india pvt. Ltd.

Before reaching any conclusion we have to understand who is our customer ? what are their banking habits, living style, saving pattern, illiteracy level, response to complexity etc. If we carefully analyse all these points then definitely we will reach to some conclusion that Urban poor are very much different than urban rich. And all our banking patterns are based on the upgradation of the technology, and urban poor are not habitual to that. We have to be at their level and then devise the facilities according to their need. This is the hard task for the bank people as it is going to be tedious and extra work for them. Banks have to understand its TG and then act according, only then the involvement of the urban poor and effective service for them will be ensured.

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by chandra shekhar, Senior Management, Bank Executive  | 01 18 2010 12:23:35 +0000

Technology is a great enabler.  Only, it should be made to use for us.  The RBI has already permitted Banks to introduce Bio-Metric based (i.e. capturing of finger prints and identifying the customer through it ) smart cards in rural india for Financial Inclusion.  RBI has also relaxed KYC norms to open accounts of poor in the villages where no banking facility is available. This scheme is applicable to urban and metro areas too.  Therefore, it is now left to the Banks to encah on this and bring the urban poor also into this fold.

 

In fact this biometric based smart card banking is called branch-less branking where the customer need not visit any bank branch.  A person appointed by the Bank called Business Correspondent will visit the villages or areas covered for providing services like depost and withdrawal, statement of account etc. This BC will have a hand held device online connected to the Bank's Core Banking System.  I am sure this technology will catch up since, it makes sense to spread the banking with very low initial invesgtment.

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Sponsor urban poor entrepreneurs for credit, support them with training and followup

idea posted by Kanti Mohan Pandit CEO/MD/Director, Center- Business Intelligence & Forecasting Cal

‘Risk’ cover is one of the fundamental criteria of providing banking services. Rural poor can not cover the risk properly for getting finance. That is why private banks hardly come forward to finance them. There are many among the urban poor with entrepreneurial capability and opportunities to prove themselves with high level of performance but do not get attention from banks. They should be brought under shelf help groups or under some government schemes to get favor for loans. Commercial banks should devise some means to pick some genuine entrepreneurs without risk bearing capacity and sponsor them for credits. Follow up training and grooming can minimize the risk and enable them to stand up successful in the long run.

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URBAN POOR DOES NOT HAVE OR ABLE TO ACCESS THE FINANCIAL INFRASTURE AVAILABLE TO OTHER MIDDLE CLASS

idea posted by NAGARAJAN B Freelancer, Freelancer

In my view, Urban poor are those people who does not enjoy the financial support from banks both private sector as well as public sector. Most of the private banks do not like  urban poor's account due to cost constraint. These urban poor are mainly migrant and most of them would like to do some small business, like selling Bhel puri or Pav Bhaji. They depend on money lenders for their day to day working capital and the cost of getting the finance is very expensive. Because of their inability to provide sufficient security or guarantor, they do not get any finance from Public sector Banks.

We do not have Mohammed Yunus, winner of Nobel prize in 2006 for Grameen Bank and helping both Urban and rural poor in Microfinancing.  There is no such financial institution like Grameen Bank in India to provide financial assistance to the urban poor.

Take the case of Lijjat Papad, the whole concept is based on micro-finance from co-operative movement.

If the finance is made available to them at a cheper rate or if Government guarantees them, these urban poor will soon become self-employed and contribute towards national development.

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system that works

idea posted by ROMESH CHANDER propreitor, ECS NEW DELHI

It appears to be strange but I have come across a system called MTAKA, the results of which was ,may be today also declared through out INDAI and money changed hands. Even the Riksha puller contributed their might to such games, The collection of funds , distribution was or is really amazing. Can we not do it legally  but not gambling part of it just collection and intrest payment part.....

Let us learn something from..... those ... too

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NOT SOCIALLY INCLUDED

idea posted by chandra shekhar Senior Management, Bank Executive

Financial inclusions should first precede SOCIAL INCLUSION. what i mean by social inclusion is that they are not treated as part of the urban class.  Majority of them are migrants from neighboring villages where they see no growth prospects.  They are poor in the village and land up poorer in cities.  They have to carve out their own living, their own shelter and their own identity.  They are at constant threat of outcast from urban rich and at constant mercy of urban municipalities.  They are exploited, used and never allowed to grow and become part of the urban culture.  The amount of life risks they take, whether earning their daily wages or enduring the whims and fancies of the authorities is amazing. 

If this section has to be financially included to become part of the growth, we need to include them socially first.  Govt. should have a policy to welcome and include such people in mainstream development so that when they are assured of support, they get included in the process, including financial incusion.  THAT I FEEL would be a right path.

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LACK OF BASIC EDUCTION IN BANKING

idea posted by NAGARAJAN B Freelancer, Freelancer

The major obstacles in generating financial inclusion for Urban Poor is lack of understanding of basic rights allowing the touts to take over their interests. Urban Poor is mainly less educated but theyvery well understand Business  finance

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Security aspect

idea posted by RAMANATHA PRABHU N Chartered Accountant

Banking service is predominently based on security, they can able to provide banking services only if they found that the person to whom services are extended is fully secured. Meaning of the word secured shall be understood in a broader sense, it includes tangible and non tangible securities. Normally urban poor are unsecured, they may not have security either personal or otherwise. They are in search of food and temporary shelter, they may be migrated from other parts of the country or rather from rural area. To such urban poor extending banking fecilities involves high risk, bankers are profit motive rather than social welfare, thay will show the tendancy to withdraw from such banking services themselves. In such cases I paersonally feel that Government shall guarantee banking services to them or provide schems to support banking services.

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The age-old fudal mentality - antiPoor approach

idea posted by ASOKE KUSARI Domestic Private Banking-Executive/Manager, A large leading PSU Bank - India

The same Central Govt./ RBI is implementing KYC and Anti-moneyLaundering norms everywhere, in all financial services and at the same time asking for financial inclusion. Think contradictory ?

The urban poor has  no money and no papers to be 'financially included'. No Govt agency / Corporation / Municipality have come ahead to give them "Identy Papers" with which they may open a Bank A/c. Even they might not have atleast Rs.50/- (surplus) for such purpose.

While the urban poor is given dole/donation/relief, may any agency give them Rs 60/- as extra only to open a Bank A/c ? Rs. 10/- for a photograph .... ? May some elite class of Financial Service Co. take similar initiative ? Perhaps possible. Banks may be willing to render some extra job in opening such a/cs.

In fine : the main OBASTACLE is : The age-old fudal mentality and anti-poor approach ( imbibed in our society of elite classes ). 

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