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Started by : Isha Verma, Sales/BD Manager, Larsen & Toubro   05 13 2009 12:02:20 +0000
Industry : Industrial Products/Heavy MachineryFunctional Area : Business Processes(Operations)
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Not much activity here. Let me ask you guys an important question which can help everyone in their profession while implementing Lean.

What practical limitations Lean Manufacturing has?

Any Ideas !!!

 
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1 Considerable criticism on Lean Manufacturing
2 No Standard Methodologies to Implement Lean
3 No quick results
4 It is Culture and can not be brought overnight.
5 Human mind getting saturated quickly

Considerable criticism on Lean Manufacturing

idea posted by Isha Verma Sales/BD Manager, Larsen & Toubro

There is a considerable criticism on Lean Manufacturing, some say that during lean it is difficult to consider constant change & on a pursuit of perfection to an extent that any scope for flexibility is eliminated......

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Criticism will always be there from those who have tried and not succeded. THat does not mean that the approach itself is bad. THe biggest challenge for Lean processes is in the planning, implementation and culture change. If that is not done effectively, the whole lean methodology fails. Lean methodology depends on ownership at an individual level and can fail at any point. All it takes is one operator who does not care. Lean needs to be paired with Six sigma or similar methods to constantly guage and measure for errors or fluctuations in quality.

To sum it up, if the Japanese can do it and rule the auto industry, are we any less capable of implementing LEAN ?

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by Ajay Ziz, Dy. Registrar,, University of Jammu  | 05 14 2009 04:52:11 +0000

makrand bhai your words feel like ( i can sense the energy sitting here in the valley) pure humbleness on your part.

keep it up bhai , india needs people like you

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I am a complete BLUTO here! I have very limited knowledge but I will try to learn more and then maybe participate better! Thanks for making me aware of these terms though!!

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No Standard Methodologies to Implement Lean

idea posted by K. R. Prasanna Venkatesan Associate/Senior Associate, SIIPL

Hai Isha

In my opinion Lean Manufacturing has no standard methodologies to implement it. First we need to study the organization and we need to plan the stages / Phases of implementation. If enough planning is not there will be a lot of bottlenecks in implementing and even there will more chance of re-work. E.G: if we need to change the plant layout and also we need to implement 5S, we need to do plant layout optimization and then the 5s. If we follow the reverse because of the ease of implementing, it will lead to re-work after optimizing plant layout.

Prasanna Venkatesan

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by Isha Verma, Sales/BD Manager, Larsen & Toubro  | 05 14 2009 09:11:05 +0000

great insights...and I feel also because everything is trying to be improved at once, problems can arise with priorities........

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No quick results

idea posted by jairaj shyam prasad Production Manager, BOSCH Ltd

There will no quick results when ever lean manufacturing methods are implemented.normally lean manufacturing will get success in areas like car/air craft manufacturing industries where there will be definite orders and normally will be limited one.where in large mass production industries where there will be larger workforce and a definite incentive payment system is in place it will be difficult to adopt lean methodology.keeping workforce idle if there are possible delays in supply chain is not ideal.mindset of actual person who works on the process is also very important and is the biggest challenge to overcome in implementation part of any lean manufacturing methodology.in my own experience, a skilled worker who is thorough in his daily work will not be prepared to change his working style which is related to time and money.

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by jairaj shyam prasad, Production Manager, BOSCH Ltd  | 05 28 2009 13:29:26 +0000

hi Chethan, ur point is well taken.yes u r right in saying lean manufacturing should be implemented by taking care of all inevitable troubles.but, i personnaly believe that we are still not very keen/instant/open for any new methods / concepts at workforce level.supply chain cannot be completely good unless there is a change in the entire system and don't forget lot of money is required and small scale suppliers are not so interested.interestingly we are the country with more population and stringent labour laws which give more security to workforce.but strong will power of management to adopt any new innovations by any means is the only answer.

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I partly agree with you on the "No Quick results" part. But I am sorry to disagree on your point that keeping workforce idle is going to be difficult. THe whole idea behind lean is to ensure continuous flow and minimum idle time. AS far as incentives go, one can always structure it in such a way that a worker gets paid for every unit he makes, but gets a bigger per unit deduction for every quality defect. THat will also help drive quality. In the end, I ahve to agree with you that Lean is about culture change and that is the most difficult part in the implementation.

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It is Culture and can not be brought overnight.

idea posted by Shyam Dikshit Partner/Principal/VP, VAWE Solutions

Lean is culture. It’s not easy to leave existing Industrial Culture which is primarily based on western and adopt Toyota culture which has evolved over years. In last few years many companies have adopted lean but it bounce back as efforts are not made at all levels. Supplier in supply chain does not respond. People change company and we are back to square one. It is possible to implement Lean with appropriate steps.

First step is to change thinking. Anything we do has to add value. If it is not adding value measures should be taken to reduce the activity if cannot be eliminated. Eye on Seven Waste should be always kept to identify and eliminate. Top management participation is very important. They should participate in activity. If numbers are not achieved root cause should be found out. Provide required expertise and training to people. Multitasking/ Multi Skills are important. Innovations/Kaizens should be recognised. Stress should be on employees creating and implementing solutions. Moon shine shop should not be used as repair shop. Give required time and encouragement. 60% perfection should be acceptable solution. Problem should be discussed where it has occurred involving people working at the place. Stress should be on simple workable solution instead sophisticated , costly and time consuming. Empty soap case thrown out by air blow is very good example to show that you don’t need sophisticated tools to address customer complains.

This mentioned above is tough which brings limitations to Lean Implementation.

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Human mind getting saturated quickly

idea posted by R.Rajkumar Asst. Manager (Planning), Goodearth Maritime Limited

Though there could be so many practical limitations in implementing lean, the major cause is how people perceive it before & after implementation.

Before implementation: Humans always have problem with change management whenever they are asked to follow a new system from that of the existing one.So it really takes time for them to convince themselves to understand the benefit of the implementation.

After Implementation: Saturation is the biggest enemy of lean process. Toyota though being a leading lean enterprise, it doesnt stops with what it has and how it does. Rather each and every toyota employee believes lean implementation to be a continous improvement which has no end. Developing a new system and reviewing it to identify the flaws in it again forms a new system and so on.

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