| Topic : Work and talent |
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HR Professionals
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last activity : 05 23 2011 06:58:37 +0000
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Match him for the right job
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Diagnose and prescribe
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Give time to prove
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Make the interviewers /selectors are answerable
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about rcving wrong talent
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Wrong hiring
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Each Candidate Having Talant Just Like Dimmond
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Is Indian laws are suffice to curb the challanges, arising with the use of latest technology in making legal contracts.
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Relook at the hiring process
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talent is always gud
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Train them and chk the suitability.
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Wait for the good sense / mistake for employee
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Match him for the right job
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Everyone has talent, it is HRD's job to get the right one for the Job
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alternatives
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priyanka kanodia
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TRAIN IF FEASABLE OTHERWISE FIRE
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should search for routing talents in the right path
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“Try to match, otherwise let leave”
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test the person
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Covert his weakness into strength and spot his strength
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HR TO ACT
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Everybody is talented in some or the other way. The problem with companies are they consistently under utilize the talents of their people, leaving a significantly untapped talent reserve. So we should know the strengths and weakness of the person and then train him in the field he is more comfortable so that he gives his best for the organization. |
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Every one is talented in this world. Only thing is to identify the area of talent and accordingly train him in that particular field. No body can go wrong if one puts his sincere efforts and hard work. Committment, Hard work and Sincerity will always fetch success. One requires proper Guidance, motivation and Training. If these are followed strictly, then any Company will have a Success story.
i support this side, company should see whether they can utilize his skills and experiences in other departments or not, and by providing him/her with some trainings can they keep him within the organization? otherwise they should give sufficient time to the employee to look for another job!
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I agree with you sawant, but before doing that you should analyze the problem and solve the dilemma of an underperforming employee, you need to establish the details of the problem. Begin by carefully evaluating the employee's results. "What is the employee doing or not doing?". "Is he making the numbers? If not, why not?" Next,look at 360- degree results if you have them. You should also do your own 360, asking key stakeholders and peers about the employee's performance. One way to diagnose this, is to ask the manager to write down the, three most important things that they get paid to do. After collecting all the information, the boss and manager can align expectations more clearly to help the employee to focus on doing the 'right things.' |
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I don't intend to support the idea, but it seems there is no option to say anything elsewhere, so am writing here.
"In case the role is a very critical one, I don't think the organisation will have the time or the resources to deploy to work on the wrong choice and try and make it work."
How can your interviewers commit such a mistake ?
I have seen such mistakes happening, the most likely reasons are :1
1. Interviewers/ Selectors panel recommendations are ignored by a higher Authority for some personal / egoistic reasons.
2. Concerns related to caste, community , language , state etc are dominant in the interview process (common in some firms in India).
3. You have dumb persons sitting in positions of higher responsibility. They don't know whom to hire.
That rot must be cleaned first.
I agree completely with Gargi. A lot also depends on how crucial/critical the role is in the organisation. In case the role is a very critical one, I don't think the organisation will have the time or the resources to deploy to work on the wrong choice and try and make it work.
The best way forward would be to bid goodbye on mutually agreeable terms and start looking out for another candidate. At the same time, it is important that the selection process is scrutinised and mistakes identified & also rectified so that such a situation canbe avoided in the future.
Very methodical Gargi! I am with you completely here. An analysis would ensure or rather validate a selection whether its wrong or right. Accordingly steps maybe taken to right the wrong. Prescription after analysis is the way I think the HR doctor has ordered :)
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This is a practical case. Few reasons for such situation could be that wrong people involved in the recruitment just because of seniority,interviewer didn't understand the requirements,fake candidates fooling the interviewer and candidate is coming from different domain etc. When the company understands that wrong talent is recruited,they need to set targets for the candidate and constantly monitor his performance and take a call on sending back or to continue. This being the mistake on company's side,they need to give enough time and opportunities for the candidate to prove In an unlikely situation,candidates leave the organization when they understand that they are not fit before company takes any decision.Worst part is when they can't find any job due to the market conditions. Training also helps sometimes
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Recruitment is a costly process. You have spent hours scheduling the interviews with the suitable candidates, then some of your top team members / Managers have spent a lot of time interviewing the persons. Then you decide to select and find out that you have chosen the wrong person! If the person doesn't have the talent you require, then you must make the selectors/interviewers answerable. How did they select the wrong person ? The selected candidate is least to blame in such a situation. We would not face such a situation if the persons involved in the selection process had given their 100%. So, the next time you find out that you have selected the wrong talent, please mark this as a failure on part of the interviewers/ selecting Manager and keep it for records. The root cause lies somewhere else. If you can locate it and take corrective action, well and good. Otherwise let the company suffer for promoting the wrong persons. As for the contention that "talent" is not the same as experience : It is your experience and expertise that show your talent. Talent isn't something abstract that can't be recognized with proper interviewing/ written tests and practical examinations. I guess you won't hire an actor to write C++ code, neither would you hire a cricketer to manage a bank. So it is clear that if we say "Wrong talent" in this context, it refers to the wrong set of skills, which is directly proportional to the experience one has. I am not blaming the HR at all, it is the technical team that is responsible for recruiting "Technical candidates", the marketing team that is responsible for selecting the "Marketing candidates" and so on. You got it wrong if you thought I was blaming HR. HR is just a facilitator. The problem lies with the selectors, HR just follows the recommendations. P.S : BTW I feel there is a bug in toostep, I can support my own idea and gain points. :) |
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I will not completely agree Mr. Mishra as you are completely blaming HR hiring team for wrong selection. On the whole, HR needs to interview based on the companies norms/policies and then the process requirement comes into existence.
Candidate maynot have experience for the vacancy applied for, still he/she can succeed. It is just read the intention,goal and the fit - in requirements.
I feel you are talking about work experience rather than 'talent'. It is true that work experince can be built up through on-job training etc.. However, a person talented in marketing, who can contribute to improving market share of the firm, though technically qualified, should not be tied down to shop floor. In certain exceptional situations, constraints on job availability may persuade individuals to take up jobs to which their primary talent orientations are not pointed. This is where 'talent' of the HR Chief should work in order to make the right selection of applicantg's profiles for the selection process.
Simply understand this : A fresher or one with 1-2 years of experience has no identified talent. Such a candidate can always be developed into an excellent team member, the only requirement on the candidate's part is sincerity.
If a senior person, say 10 years experience has been hired and we find out that the "talent" possessed by this person is not what we expected, then it is a blasphemous error on part of the selection committee.
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hi i m sourabh vohra this side i think if the company recv wrong talent by mistake then don't take it so seriously first select all the people who are not very well talented according to the company job profile means the profile which company wants then from that selection give them training and make them stronger according to your requirement. Now judge all the candidate will giving them training and make two groups of all the candidates IN FIRST GROUP keep those candidate's only who truly & literally want to learn something from their job IN SECOND GROUP keep those candidate's only who comes to office to just enjoying and could not taking more and more interest in learing their office work GIVE TRAINING WITH TOTAL PEACE OF MIND AND PATIENT'S SO THAT IF THEY do any mistake they have made self relization and the candidate who realize that he/she is wrong in any aspects of work he/she definitely try to improve himself and other candidate didn't show any more improvement by this only you can improve your company's talent
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there can not be a wrong talent,because each and every person in this world possess some good as well as bad qualities so what we can do is that ...shape further the good qualities of that person and try to amend those wrong qualities by realising him that there is still a lot of things which he can learn
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Wrong hiring clearly indicates failure in the recruitment system/process. Wrong hiring can be a costly affair.Accountability of wrong hiring is always debatable, we should first identify the reasons for the wrong hiring and take corrective steps. As for the candidate, we should help him get a right job if he/she can not be absorbed in the company. |
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Apart from all this we can also think of training the person on the skills which the organization needs, if the candidates is willing to learn the skills which are required, his dedication will be clearly visible. or try to fit in other sectors. we should consider the organization policy as well as the background of the candidate on a humanitarian grounds.
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talant is born gift by god,but it is utilised or devlop only if it is a identiy in indvidual and some time modify by giving proper direction ( traning) just like dimond (ex. kohinur) if you cut and polish properly it give more shine.But now a day all company want redimeat candidate they peay any cost or that but at same time they may be delibretly ignore there talante and imported candidets some time show only shaine becouse they know that onther company are wetig for them such people not thing long terum about company they only plan for two year an start surcing new jobs.insted of that if company identify talanted peopel among and evaluate them and give proper direction with givn some good pakage definetly they give more effective result bcousae they are emostenaly bind with organiseation
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I couldn't agree more. The so called "talent" that we look for in companies is really an insult to mankind.
Human beings have got much more talent than just write C code, develop some software for entertainment, make movies, sell products or play games.
Those are just small things and can be developed by any body who has some basic intelligence and is well trained as well as motivated.
When a company of the size of 100000 persons says it has hired on with wrong talent, something is probably wrong with the company itself.
Nobody is born with talent to do a job (ie. to become a slave of work) but so many persons are born with so many talents which are lost ultimately due to the demands of business and life.
Is Indian laws are suffice to curb the challanges, arising with the use of latest technology in making legal contracts.
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There are many is issues, which are specific to the legal e-contract, we have no such specific law to resolve the issues which are arising in cyber world, we have only Information technology act 2000. to solve all problems relating to the Information and communication technology. that is not adequate. |
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Wrong talent!!! Hmmm... Definite signs of a Gap in the hiring process or wrong JD made / Given / understood. Either way, the problem is not in the talent side but at the organization level. the talent deserves to be given an opportnity to perform. This could possibly mean that he might have to be trained on some different skill or a position created for him but letting him go would be a negative branding exercise for the company. Parellelly you need to revisit the entire process again to plug the gap because if you dont it will happen again!!! Cheers Navneet Chandra
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as per experience no talent is bad its just need a good approach n attitude to match wid right job wat i think that consultants hire these people in hurry n concerned with thier no. only so better look for right guy for right job n fake commitments from either side doesnt work for long so recruitment process need to be very transparent |
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No .please do not blame Consultants alone. 50% of the HR's/Management people are responsible for the hiring Wrong talent.It is very very difficult to spot Candidate's weakness during interviews.I know interview is a long process now a days because it is made to look like that.There are methods in our olden texts how to spot a right persons. why can's we take that. wew always view western pyschology an not the indian physchology.let HR's can be trained in eastern methodology.who will bell the cat?
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Apart from all this we can also think of training the person on the skills which the organization needs, if the candidates is willing to learn the skills which are required, his dedication will be clearly visible. or try to fit in other sectors. we should consider the organization policy as well as the background of the candidate on a humanitarian grounds. |
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If it is Govt sector employer has to wait for eternity to recover from one bad recruitee and if private sector the employer just waits for a mishap on employee side to get rid of the unfit recruitee. |
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No one on this earth is useless,so if company thinks about a particular guy as wrong talent it means it needs to identify the area in which that person can be proved efficient.Each person has his own skill set in his particular field only thing is to identify his field and use him as resource.
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It is absolutely the job of Human Resources Development department to select the right candidate for the company, conforming to their strategy 1) either to hire a fresher and to train hin on the job or 2) to hire sufficiently experienced person for the job. It is not sensible to talk about lack of 'telent' in a person, since every person is born with some kind of talent. I do not believe that some are 'genious' and others are just 'average'. It all depends on the area or field one is enaged in , which improves his inherent capability. |
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since we know that recuritment and selection is a costly affair,so on account of wrong placement of an employee the co.has several options:
thus co. can choose any of the alternatives as feasible.taking care that the wrong candidate is not just fired.because here co.made amistake in selection. |
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since we know that recuritment and selection is a costly affair,so on account of wrong placement of an employee the co.has several options:
thus co. can choose any of the alternatives as feasible.taking care that the wrong candidate is not just fired.because here co.made amistake in selection. |
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Wrong talent implies that the particular talent required for the said job is absent if not minimal, hence termed as Wrong selection. The solution would be to analyse the cost factor "to train and utilise", if its not feasible then sorry - "Fire". |
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A wrong talent selection happens either on account of poor selection process or that one is talented enough to cover up a selection process.Either way its the company that is left with a wrong talent.A pressure tactic on the part of the company can bring such wrong talents to useful contribution or the pressure can make him to move out as well.Since its basically the mistake of the company it would be ethical to put in efforts for bringing around the talents available to right use |
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Trying to match the wrong talent for another job profile which he was not actually meant for will not completely suffice the Company’s purpose of recruitment. This is an adjustment to prevent expressing “Sorry” to the employee and is not an optimization technique if the recruitment is for High Profile jobs involving large compensation. We should also anticipate a situation where the talent does not match the existing resource requirement. There is no option other than saying sorry. So I would suggest the solution to be as precise as “Try to match, otherwise let leave” |
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It is a grave mistake on the part of HR department if they discover some one after hiring as 'wrong talent'. In reality every one is talented in one way or other! It proves HR dept. inefficient if they hire 'wrong person' for 'right job' or vice versa. Therefore, in case the organisation can afford to train the person (if he is willing to adapt himselves), they should aborb him in best suitable position and provide required taining.
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well i would like to give my opinion as if we have appointed a wrong talent for whom the job is not suitable, we should appoint him for a temporary period, and if he succeeds in proving himself for any kind of job, then we should think to appoint him permanently. |
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It is better to spot what kind of telant he has and HR's work to trainee him in that area. just becauses he is a wrong choice one shoul dnot throw him out. Let him be given a chance to prove where he can shine. I know one CEO who is heading South African operations of a big FMCG MNC company who has no talent at all. He was a RSM and he spotted the MD's weakeness and converted that into his Strength became GM.That MD was an englishmen who is not even fit for Area Sales manager Position. He was sent from UK to India as MD.So let us not underestimate one. Idea is to As said above Give him time and enough Motivation- convert his weakness into strength, where he best suits, even then if he does imporve then managment should decide what to do. |
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HUMAN RESOURCES MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT SHOULD CONTINUOUSLY UPDATE THE SKILLS THE REQUIRED FOR THE VARIOUS ROLLS IN THE COMPANY; AND CHECK THAT ONLY THE CANDIDATES WITH REQUIRED SKILLS ONLY ARE SELECTED. IF THE TALENT MISMATCH IS DETECTED AFER THE SELECTION PROCESS, HR SHOULD ARRANGE FOR TRAINING AND IF THE CANDIDATE DOES NOT COME UPTO EXPECTATION THEY WILL HAVE TO BE RELOCATED/SHIFTED/REMOVED |
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