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Started by : Sonam Kapoor, Software Developer, IBM   01 28 2010 12:06:50 +0000
Industry : Radio, TV & FilmsFunctional Area : Politics(Personal Interests)
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I don't think many will be surprised by seeing this question, as everybody knows that this is the obvious that we are seeing and hearing on a regular basis, be it the Telangana issue or the Mumbai for Marathi's only stance by many in Maharashtra where we saw people beating up others who were not from that state and asking to give license permit for taxis for only who speak marathi and who stayed in maharashtra for more than 15 years, I suppose we are living in a free country, and one is not suppose to force others to do things which is against their will, yes people should respect the culture where they are living in but you can't force them to do things the way you want to.

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And always somewhere in India you will see Hindu muslim clashes happening and many times inherently we see Regionalism or groupism at workplace where we see people belonging to a certain group hanging out together and not letting anybody else in and this happens everywhere,  and this happens in  other spheres of our life where we see our own countrymen not supporting each other. So, why do you think there is a growing divide among Indians? Please share your views on this.

 
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1 Most of the Indians are Mango people
2 it is a churning process
3 Bad Politician and Religion Extremists
4 I (myselt), There is only one reason,
5 Politians interferance in subdued matters causing greater divide
6 Our present social and economic model
7 Totemism
8 My View
9 Inefficiency of ambitious politicians to gather public support
10 DONT LET OTHER MOVE AHED OF YOU EITHER BY HOOK OR CROOK. MANAGEMENTS NEW FUNDA
11 Communalism is root cause
12 Why there is a growing divide among Indians?
13 This is a millinium change on the earth
14 Sheer vote politics...
15 Human Nature, cause to give the chance to politician
16 Polititians will destroy our country
17 This is all because of so many Religion in India...
18 It is a production of politices
19 Bad leadership
20 stop playing the blame game
21 Why there is a growing divide among Indians
22 golbalization

Most of the Indians are Mango people

idea posted by Sonam Kapoor Software Developer, IBM

Many people like us think about bringing the change but contribute less for the welfare due to other commitments or due to sheer laziness. We are Aam Junta and Aam in English means Mango that's why the phrase goes "The Mango People". Though we always think of bringing the change, but we never want to be a part of it and we always play it safe, we never want to associate with a person from another region in the first place, and many times this irks the localites and we see clashes happening with different community people and few bad politicians cash in on this and play vote bank politics.

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Mango or Papaya or whatever is it, we cannot avoid it. Even in Management Think Tank issues and meetings, we are still taught how British ruled us and managed big, bigger, biggest projects efficiently; by simply dividing peoples. We are expected to praise the British for this and advised to take a management lessons from them.

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As Sonam mam started this topic of "Why there is growing divide among india?".Mam i agree with your opinion as you said that we are living in a free country and there should not be any pressure on anybody for his or her life.He/she is totally free to live anywhere in india.

Mam i think that exact reason of this is "Our Dirty Politics and the politician's" .They play the game from backside.They are responsible for all this thing.

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it is a churning process

idea posted by Priya Varadan Independent consultant, Self employed

Modern India is only 63 years old... u cud say its part of growing up, maturity.. Left, Right, centre, irrational,rational views all shud find place... we shud hear them, discuss debate.. we can survive all this and move on..

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Well said Priya...with you

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Thanks Mr Bhave

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Priya, I am impressed with your simple reasoning. Its apt and it really adds a new simple meaning tothe problem ahead!! I am totally with you here :))

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Bad Politician and Religion Extremists

idea posted by Vivek Johari Analyst, Magic Software Pvt. Ltd

In my view bad politicians are one of the major causes for the growing division among Indian people. Common people don’t want this division, but political parties try to create the division among the people on the basis of caste, religion, financial condition and region in order to increase or maintain their vote banks. Even at the time of election, the analysis of their vote bank is done in the terms of caste, religion and regions. Some regional political parties try to exploit people on the basic of regions.

 

Also some extremist of the various religions try to show that their religion is above other and for doing this, they exploit the religion feelings of the people. They do this in order to strong their hold on the religion and their believer.

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I (myselt), There is only one reason,

idea posted by Sathasivam Web developing, FirstPlanet

Hi Sonam,

Each and every person our country should know about that reason, pl share it my view to all. There is only one reason,

I (myselt). i forget my country, i forget our law, etc. i think, first  change myself.

 

Jaihind.

 

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Right said Mr. Sathasivam, it is always, I, Me, Myself, and Mine. Why do we not say, US, WE, OURS? Let me share an experience to make my point home.

When I was in Moscow, once we friends thought of going to another city by train, sitting in the compartment, some of us jut put our foot on the opposite chair. The Russians who were with us asked them to remove the foot as the cover had been changed just in Moscow and it would not be changed till the next stop, and the person whose seat it was when boards the train might feel bad.

We all (Indians) were sitting in the train and thinking about our individual comfort, but they think about the country as a whole.

We ask each other what the country has given to us, their question is, WHAT MORE CAN WE GIVE TO THE COUNTRY, TO MAKE IT BETTER.

So unless and until we stop I, Me, Myself, Mine and start thing US, WE, OURS we will be divided.

 

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Politians interferance in subdued matters causing greater divide

idea posted by Cyril Sr. Engineer Business Excellence

For power politians divide people on the grounds of language, caste, creed etc.

Most of the people just blindly follow the leaders dividing the unity & integrety.

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Our present social and economic model

idea posted by Tanmay Gaur Freelance Software Developer

I don't think Indians can be easily exploited on things like religion, region etc. so I don't think its a growing divide, its a diminishing divide. The infighting you see today is because of our past mobbed fightings. We still fear it happen again. I think, we see it today because we are frustrated on other things.  I blame this to our earning model i.e the economic model and also social model.

Most of us believe in earning our living by working for some enterprise. People who own enterprise believe in manipulating such people. If you earn well and have never been bullied for social or economic reasons, I don't think you will ever bully someone else. When you work for someone and doing your naukri, you are not his nauker, so don't ever get bullied or get oppressed. Remember if you work in such conditions, you have an escape. Watch and learn from Rocket Singh. Its a free India, you will get to know it. This is my belief.

Socially we are brought up in an environment which classifies people, underestimating their value to your life. We fail to see each person as different. May be because we are so many in number but these are two major factors. Taking an example of Amitabh Bacchan himself, do you think he can be labeled for the things he do while living in Maharashtra? No. He is not bullied either. NMS underestimated him. I watched Naseerudin Shah saying similar things on NDTV when talked about religion.

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I quote Amitabh ji on his 1 st Corporatisation M/S ABCL;literally from huge loss to turnaround sucess story is worth emulating:-

"I WOULD NOT VENTURE INTO ANY ACTION THAT I DID NOT PERSONALLY KNOW HOW TO OPERATE.IF I CAN'T DO IT MYSELF HOW CAN I EXPECT TO GUIDE SOME ONE IN DOING IT FOR ME" .

As rightly said by you when the business model which shares with the majority will be the most sucessful model,keeping in tune with the market expectations.

 

 

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Totemism

idea posted by Mathew Cherian Research Associate/Analyst, Western Michigan University

Totemism is a state where a group has a Totem symbol and they follow certain "restrictions" or taboo customs. This behavior used to be prevelent among savages and canibals of past years and this behavior is present in our present times and Psycho Analysts call such people pf present times as modern savages. Psycho Analysis call this state of mind "compulsion neurosis" where initialy there is a 1) a prohibition or even aggression against some one 2) followed by a reconciliation 3)expiation or sublimation activities 4)followed by a renunciation or sublimation which is the "ceremonial rites" like the we see in relegious shrines..

So these violence can be attributed to a mental deviation calle the above name "compulsion nuerosis" where a group forms arond a toem symbol and prohibits other toems and which leads to violence and ceremonials. India is still a superstitiously run country with most of our work culminating in disfunctional outcomes due to majority of citizen living like savages with there on totem proghibitions and superstitions which makes the majority "compulsion neurtotics" or neuro psychotics which is paranoids.

All these states can culminate in violence against each other which is what is the cause for divisions and violanece in India and everywhere.

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My View

idea posted by vinit Project coordinator, PM Dimensions

The topic you have raised is all true. But if we do root cause analysis we come to know following things:

Points Against:

  1. In late 1950s and early 1960s when it was decided by Indian government to have more states for easy governance. The states were divided on the basis of regional languages. It was done so that the governance will be easy. Here, we lost our unity in diversity as we divided ourselves on language basis.
  2. The other draw back is, as the new states are getting formed but do they have the strong leaders to support the government in this case? For example, if we look at Maharashtra Cabinet we can easily figure out that the most of the ministers are from western maharashtra and central maharashtra (marathwada). Now, the demand for separate Vidharbh is growing and they actually lack the leadership required to build a state.
  3. If we take the case of great violence for new Telangana and Central Government accepting the proposal (though other reasons for the same are there), the people in Vidhrbh might think that violence is the key to success which might lead to another Telangana in Vidharbh.

Points For:

  1. If we look at the growing rate of the states which are newly formed (Jharkhand, Uttaranchal and Chattisghad), we can easily figure out that it has increased at considerable level.  
  2. Its not just the new states but state like Bihar is also growing at never before rate after the split.
  3. As these states are growing, sure there will be lot of job opportunities in the making which will reduce the flow of people to states like Maharashtra. This might help to reduce the conflicts in these states. (Though it is not the best way to avoid the conflicts).
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Inefficiency of ambitious politicians to gather public support

idea posted by Ramesh Babu Head of the Department, Amber Valley Residential School

Any person entering in to politics wanting to build up the voter base, thinks of playing religious card, region card, job reservation based on castes (like in Tamil Nadu) to have a group of supporters.

There should be a ban on political parties from taking part in elections if they make comments dividing India based on religion, region, castes, etc.

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DONT LET OTHER MOVE AHED OF YOU EITHER BY HOOK OR CROOK. MANAGEMENTS NEW FUNDA

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Communalism is root cause

idea posted by Abhyuday Software engineer, Tripod System Pvt Ltd

“Communalism” in India is a term that has now come to refer to the violent activities coordinated or supported by the fascist governing party, in its attempts to break the inter-religious peace of the Indian polity in order to create a  vote bank.

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Why there is a growing divide among Indians?

idea posted by Wayne-Russell Macedo Procurement & Logistics, Dana Group, Lagos

Well this could boil down to a host of reasons namely politicians seeking personal gains...ignorance on part of the common man to get misled at the same time....display of emotions & sentiments on a regular basis rather than keep religion and caste in ones heart and live with it...lack of education and exposure among certain strata of society...hmmm...certain elements of monetary greed also would add to it...

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This is a millinium change on the earth

idea posted by George Varghese Proprietor, Jecyees

This is not a subject to answer in one paragraph or with an article or in a  novel. We should consider the millennium change happening on the glob. By knowing or not knowing all the human on the earth are taking part in the nature's change process. Mangoes, Papayas or apples are taking part in the change. Now we are the human living on the earth to make the change happen. The new trend can be established very soon. let us wait and see. 

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Sheer vote politics...

idea posted by Arinjay Kumar Administration, BSF

Right since our childhood we are taught about regionalism and provincialism as curse and the most potent threat to the unity of the nation. Despite such teachings, today we find that some of our leaders who are supposed to lead our nation towards growth and development, are busy creating differences among people. Unfortunately, our nation has enough illiterates to provide a following (group) even to such a separatist ideology.

And what can explain such a tendency to be indifferent to the national cause, except selfishness ? A few people in different corners of the country with own vested interest, are trying to divide the nation in the name of state and province. These people are trying to challenge the very fabric of our constitution, and the base upon which our nation has been united. Infact these people do not have any concern for any issue but are simply interested in making their cheap vote banks, by coining some cheap issues. Such an attitude may foment secessionist tendencies to an extent that the very unity of the country gets threatened.

It's a good sign that some of the who's who of the country like Mukesh Ambani and Sachin Tendulkar have dropped general Indian attitude of indifference and have raised their voices against such selfish tendency. It's time when all the countrymen should come together to show solidarity for a basic cause that we remain an Indian rather than turning into a Marathi, a Bihari or an Assamese...     

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Human Nature, cause to give the chance to politician

idea posted by Mohammed Abdul Bari Network Support Engineer@ETISALAT, Dubai

I am not sure about my words but I think the nature of the human being is also responsible of it even it is of politician or our Mango janta. As usual every buddy knows that what and how our politicians are. But what about “Aam janta” what happened to us why we are being divided?

Rozi” the term means employment. In every state there are many people from outside in search of employment and due to their abilities they are getting the job but this was not acceptable by the home residential even if they are not fit for that job and they are not agreeing on this, they are not let themselves understand the real cause of this and giving the chance to politician to play the politics. This was what happening in Maharashtra (Mumbai) or in Andhra Pradesh (Hyderabad).

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Polititians will destroy our country

idea posted by Debashis Mallick BCA student, Utkal University

I dont know what happens with this peoples. They are only wanting divide. And one thing i want say if this will happens in future. Someday india will vanished from the earth map. There will be no india only contries. India will became nameless

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This is all because of so many Religion in India...

idea posted by Mohit Trivedi Game Developer in Emantras

I think this is due to so many religion in India so many languages so diverse in nature.A Hindu wants to see a Hindu doing well.A Muslim always encourage a Muslim to do well.It is a Human Mentality now.You can not blame on our education or politician directly.Do we have no brain to think what is wrong or what is right?Actually we don't want to see other community people to do progress.This is bad.This is not happening in India only.The latest example is from Australia.We can see what is happening there.If in India only one community was there then we could think of peace and unity in India among different people.This should not happen but sorry to say we can not stop it.

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It is a production of politices

idea posted by piyush kant singh content writer, Freelance writing

The dividation in India is growing because the political party in India get a profit from these

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Bad leadership

idea posted by Arun Murali Senior Software Engineer, Mind Tree Limited

I think its time to revisit politics again. Its not about show of power, but its about creating leadership. A leadership that people will follow. Sure this is happening. I mean see Shiv Sena Activists, they have one of the best leaderships but bad leaders. 

This is partially created by a very standing public. Public that will stand in circle and watch what ever these people do. Public that can never raise its voice. If these activities are questioned and punished in a proper way then the leaders will change and things of this stuff wont happen again.

When we public start questioning good leaders come out. Trust me Voting wont get your best leader out of the blues, its only questioning that will get the right person out. Our own country has examples of this our freedom fight. If we were given a chance to vote between 3 English men we would have done it, but what did we do instead. We questioned, we questioned why should English men lead our country we want our leaders there. Thats the reason we got freedom, but thanks to the death of Gandhi we stopped questioning after that.

We need leaders who wont get anything out of the voting, but ones who believe in our secularism. And we need public which supports these leaders. The rest will get corrected automatically

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stop playing the blame game

idea posted by Esha Das teacher, Teaching

When will you stop playing the blame game. Its very easy to blame people. And its very very difficult to look inside urself ask urself who in reality needs to be blammed. dont u think the word "I" needs to be blammed first. haven't u ever created a sect or group of urs whether be it in ur school/locality/college and so on and so forth.

I want to ask u something...socho kabhi bhi aapne kya kisi ke khilaaf kuch kaha hai. agar nahi then u all r allowed to comment on it.

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Why there is a growing divide among Indians

idea posted by Ramkumar Kashyap Founder and Principal Consultant, Pradyun Inc.

The concept of India did not exist prior to the British, and even then it took several hundred years for it to take root. The majority of Indians followed the Intellect class (Gandhi, Nehru, Jinnah, Patel, etc.) on the path to freedom. As long as the strong leadership and idealism existed, the glue to hold people from different walks of life and culture was there. Once that has disintegrated, we are back to the regionalism and creation of fiefdoms. We do not have to look very far to see the consequences of going down that path. Our neighbor to the west did not do away with the Zamindari system and are now reaping the rewards/punishment of staying with that system.

There was always a divide among Indians. It is like the Indian cricket team. When they are winning we tend to forget all their weaknesses and flaws and declare them to be number 1. When they fail the entire nation goes into mourning. It is this kind of extreme responses that lead to a schizophrenic existence where rationality plays a minor part if at all. This kind of extremism is evidenced everywhere from our movies, tv serials, (sensational) journalism, etc.

Why are we acting surprised that these issues that have been ignored or swept away under the rug are now surfacing with a vengeance? Who can we blame for the apathy?

My suggestion is to look into the mirror for the anwer

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golbalization

idea posted by Ravichandar S investment

hi! the 'divide' is prevalent worldwide, not confined to India. Developed countries viz., Germany, Canada .., have it. i think it is to do with competition to survive in a world where the 'divide' is diminishing with reference to job. more foreigners are empanelled either for skill or cost.

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