Know God in its own reality

Interesting. Keeping faith on God is fine but it shouldn't be blind belief...

Dear Dr. Ray, though Tanushree Sengupta's question is not relavant to the debate, I got the answer for a question wwhich is in my mind for decades. I asked many but could not get the proper answer. Thanks to you and to Tanushree Ji. 

Dear Tanushree Sengupta,
Thank you for your question, but your question is not related to this discussion. 

It is an abbreviation for the Latin word meaning "recipe". However, the traditional R with the long front 'leg' has an additional meaning, as an honor to the god Jupiter.

Dr. Ray,

Would you please tell me what is the exact meaning of RX?

Another lesson of MahaManas regarding God.
 
“The conception of God is not same to all of us, because we are not of same conscious stage. 
In truth, to which we shall mention God, mentioning the name God –what we shall understand, why we shall mention it God and how much it will be reasonable. If we consider these in different aspects with an unaffected –free mind, then certainly we can arrive at a particular place. But if we are ruled by blind-faith, if we don’t be reasonable enough, then never we can reach the truth.” –MahaManas 

Religious (human’s) God is different from true spiritual (human’s) God. 

If you be able to know yourself then also you will be able to know God (Agar toom kuood ko jan sakoge to Kooda kovi jan sakoge).   

@ Suryanarayan Murthy sir; thank you sir for liking my view.

Ms. Dayamoyee Mondal, with due respect I would like to define God in the light of the holy Quran. God is some-one who is neither created by anyone nor he give birth to any-one. He is there from the beginning and he will be there even after the end of this world. And all of us know that one day the world will meet its end. No scientist can claim the continuity of the world. Even our ultimate source of energy is going to end one day. So I don`t think                                                                    we can treat such a thing to be God. If some one has a flaw how can we treat the same as God. For a perfect definition of God I think you should read Surah ikhlaas surah no 114 of the holy Quran. I want to say you one more thing that this book is the message of Allah and not written by a human being. If you don`t believe then you should try to find out the name of author. It is the only book which is in its purest state. Till now no one in the world is able to find even a single flaw in this book.   

To know more you may get another knowledge-Cosmic soul is the real God  http://toostep.com/debate/cosmic-soul-is-the-real-god 

अगर इंडिया की बात की जाए तो ये सच है की यहाँ संसाधनों की कमी हें लेकिन कैसे संसाधनों की | यहाँ प्राकृतिक रूप से सभी संसाधन हें संसाधन जो प्राकृतिक रूप से हें वो तभी काम दे सकते हें जब उनका दोहन किया जाए यानि उसे use किया जाए और वो तो तभी उसे किया जा सकेगा जब कोई बता सके कि इसका इस तरह से इस्तेमाल किया जाना चाहिए | जैसे भूक लगे तो क्या खाना चाहिए ये बताया जाता है हमें | और बताता कौन है जो जनता हें वही बता सकता है यानि आप दिमाग कहे उसे या कुछ और वो चाहिए बताने के लिए| और ये बात कुछ देश बहुत पहले समझ गए और उन्होंने पुर विश्व के दिमाग को अपने यहाँ बुलाया रहने को जगह दी सुख दिया सुविधाए दी ताकि वो बता सके जो ज्ञान उन्होंने अपने देश मई अर्जित किया उसे बता सके या उसके आधार पर कुछ नया खोज सके जो उनके काम आ सके उनको अग्रणी कर सके तो इस आधार पर देखे तो संसाधनों की कमी हें लेकिन प्राकृतिक संसाधनों की नहीं उन बताने वालो की कमी है जो बता सकते हें कि इनका करना क्या है. क्योकि जो बता सकते हें उन्हें तो खींच लिया जाता है विकसित होने के नाम पर...

Best of the Month! 

The contradiction that is our country India is that our culture is fixated in our consciousness. When we can disassociate from it to some practical or functional level so that the quality of life for everyone becomes our objective rather than for preeminent types of citizen. Of course we have manpower shortage now in many fields. Then that doesn't mean anything considering the life one leads from birth to death. Masses still live in poverty. We cannot dream of having a sequester with God himself for the solution. Then one has no choice other than divert our attention to searches through science for solution to human plights of malnutrition, poverty, lack of attention span, lack of perception, lack of comprehension etc; etc; which are consequences to our fixation and dreams that everything be solved through our conscious search for God and his objectives. 
God ofcourse is our providence head and we have no chance of solving our problems based on our dellusion of meeting him. So instead of trying to solve our problems through our consciousness which is metaphysics we should use the lower bounderies of science to solve human problems mentioned above especially in India and othe under developed world. Of course we need wealth for that, state of the art economic infrastructure, state of the art academia, dynamic and evolving culture not static from 200 BC and so on and so forth. Thanks.

Full of Knowledge!

Thank u Manorama for referral.

अभी इस जगह मैंने पड़ा कि वो लिखते हैं कि हिन्दू धर्म मे कही भी भगवान् का ज़िक्र नहीं है सिर्फ अवतार का ज़िक्र है ये तो वो बात हुई कि पानी नहीं है पानी का ज़िक्र नहीं है और चाय बन गयी| ऐसा संभव है क्या जहा चाय का ज़िक्र होगा उसके बनने का ज़िक्र होगा वह पानी का ज़िक्र तो होगा ही क्योकि पानी के बिना चाय का कोई अस्तित्व नहीं है  एक चीज़ अपनी कई रूप रखती है जैसे मनुष्य के कई रूप कई रंग है दरिया पानी रखता है कोई छोटा कोई बड़ा | जब दुनिया मै हर चीज़ कई रूपों मे हो सकती है. पानी barf है तो वो भी पानी ka एक रूप है और पानी bhaap है तो भी वो पानी का एक रूप है aise ही और भी कई cheezain है  jo कई रूपों मे हैं तो फिर भगवान् कई रूपों मे kyo नहीं हो sakta. अब kyo है कई रूपों मे ये तो samjhna padega.... कोई भी चीज़ maanne का ये matlab नहीं hota कि वो theek है. satya ko khojna padta है janna padta है....

Fully satisfied! Thank you Dayamoyee Didi!

I have been thoroughly developed through the excellent teachings of MahaManas 

For more Words of Mahamanas, please watch this Video-

Dear friends, 
Many thanks for your participation in this discussion. Now I am submitting another part of teachings of MahaManas, for your satisfaction. Thank you again. 

“One who has no knowledge in any specific field or subject –still has desire to know –has a great eagerness to get knowledge–, it is possible for a knowledgeable person to make that one known about that field or that subject, more or less according to that one’s consciousness or power of understanding. 
But, one who knows something incorrectly, –has no demand to know anything new in that field or subject, –it is impossible to make known –make understand that one the truth. 
In reality, it is very hard to express some things –some subjects –like God –like infinity. Still, it may be given a little concept by the help of different objects and examples, if the receiving power or consciousness of recipient is almost same or close to knowledgeable giver’s or teacher’s conscious stage.” –MahaManas 

I presume Mahamanas is Budha. 

One very interesting fact is Indian consciousness and Hinduism don't mention God in their writings. They have only as close range avatars, which even is not accurate. Brahma the highest form of God head visible to Indian consciousness is only a special purpose vehicle if I am permitted to use that synonym created by God to oversee creation. Though Hindu culture and religion affirms God as the supreme then they accord these intercediary elements for worship and confirmation of lives actions. God is seldom mentioned. Siva, Krishna are all intercediary according to Indian consciousness no single element as God himself. Thanks.

Thank you daya. wonderful words from a noble mind

भगवान क्या ये संभव है की भगवान को बताया जा सके उसे व्यक्त करा जा सके उसकी परिभाषा दी जा सके. हम जो भी बताते है जो भी व्यक्त करते हैं वो हमारी परिभाषा है हमारा चिंतन है किन्तु भगवान व्यक्त करने की चीज़ नहीं समझाने की चीज़ नहीं है अगर उसे समझ भी जाओगे तो बता नहीं पाओगे बताओगे तो दूसरा समझ जाए  इसकी कोई गारंटी नहीं है अनुभव कभी बताये नहीं जा सकते क्योकि अनुभव unique होते हैं तभी कहा जाता होगा की भगवान् अव्यक्त है | अब बात ये है की अगर कोई अव्यक्त है तो बताया कैसे जाए क्योंकी अव्यक्त तो होता ही वही है जिसे बताया न जा सके तो एक बात समझनी पड़ेगी किसी को खाना नहीं मिला एक दिन भूखा था भूक लगी लेकिन किसी को कैसे बताये की कितनी भूख लगी कैसा लगा जब भूख लगी कह सकता है परेशान  हो गया लेकिन जैसा लगा बिलकुल वैसे कैसे बताएगा अब अगर भूख का अनुभव करना हो किसी को तो उससे वो क्या कहेगा | कहेगा की भूखा रह लो खुद पता चल जाएगा कैसा लगता है लेकिन उन दोनों को एक जैसा लगा इसकी क्या गारंटी है और एक जैसा लगा भी तो ये नापा कैसे जायेगा कि एक जैसा लगा | दोनों कहेंगे हाँ परेशानी तो थी लगा भी कुछ ऐसा ही लेकिन नाप नहीं सकते कह नहीं सकते कि बिलकुल एक था| तो भगवान को या भगवत्व को अनुभव करा जा सकता है अनुभव एक होगा कहे नहीं सकते नाप नहीं सकते... 

Dear friends, 
To satisfy you I am submitting this part of teachings of MahaManas. 

“The word– ‘god’ (and also ‘Bhagavan’) bears many meanings. As like– Money is his god, teachers or gurus are god, parents are god, a master or very powerful person is designated as god. Therefore naturally many persons are confused by this word. 
 When I mention the Creator –the universe existence –the real God, my students make a mess with so called god and demigod and Deva or Devata, because they have no conception about God –the Creator. If a human being would be known about the real God, then he/she wouldn’t mistake by mentioning a God to any human being.
Although we all are part of God or universe existence, in spite of that, as a human being with the sense of separateness, one cannot be God in this conscious stage. Except it, a part cannot be the whole in this ‘Maya -Jagat’ (illusive world). One time in far-future, step by step–when one will reach the God conscious stage through the way of blooming consciousness, then that one will be equal to God and mixed up with God. 
One thing more, one who considers every human being– every creature is aspect of God that one does not mark any individual separately as God.” –MahaManas      

We are not confining ourselves to just Indian consciousness which probably is very comprehensive which does mean that we can practically  apply them in real life the whole of it may be a part of it as supportive to the Judeo-Christian consciousness from which and Indo-European consciousness the science flows.
So said, the Medivel age of history thoroughly explored region for more than 200 years then went into other eras like romantic era etc;. By the time of 14th century on Judeo-Christian thinkers especially Luther and Calvin decided that it is not possible to meet God in person or to get into a dialog with him for reasons beyond our control so has to move into conscious search into economics, sciences, medicine, engineering so that the 'quality' of human life can be improved. Ofcourse there is lots of history inbetween and prior to this which led us all into metaphysics and Marxian economic systems of value and capitalism. So countries that adopted these diversions from religion achieved much as evinced by advancement in quality of life of individual citizen in these countries.
One flow in our system is too much careless dependence on our consciousness I mean Indian conscious development of ages back. For example Karna is prevented in overpowering Arjuna by timely interference before a show down by someone who questions Karnas heritage. Though Karna was miles ahead of Arjuna in skill he couldn't prove it at that point because of this. Modern consciousness Judeo-Christian and Indian ancient calls it pre-eminence and many unjustifiable events happen in India due to this even the class based transactions where by democratic transactions is prevented in the society which leads to foul outcomes and degeneration of quality of life for millions. Our 85% of market remain underdeveloped and the consequence of developing them is mindboggling considering the degeneration of currency value and loss wealth to citizen arose due to such flowed phenomenon of pre-eminence.
So I feel the earlier we figure out a way in science rather chase some thing that is beyond the scope of science is illusionary and dellusion per se which will keep us underdeveloped for a long time.

How real is reality? Take for example what JKrishnamurthi had said, it is what your perception makes you accept it. It is true that since ages we have been programmed to see only what is apparent not the hidden. By knowing the hidden, we can see a composite wholeness. He had explaied something like being inside a basket made of bamboo strips from whose gaps we see the worl, come out of the basket and you see the whole picture. Accordingly, if you come out of your programmed visions and see the hidden you are bound to know the truth. God is still an abstract figment of somebody's imagination thrusted into our sub-consciousness through time worn programs manifested by Kings, Powerful priests and Persons for their own vested interest. God is not relevant, knowledge is. And if you percieve god, it would be a ghost or an apparition formed out of your perception and truth. Nothing more.

Excellent!

With all due respect to Madam Dayamoyee, I would like to express, madam you are absolutely erroneous in your thoughts in the shared content. Are parents deeds not worth worshiping? They take pain and do sacrifice while bringing us up. You appear cynical in thoughts. If a teacher has shown me the way and guided me in thick and thin then why not worship him/her. God is not coming down to earth to enlighten me on a wide spectrum of grave issues. Some people around me are enlightening me and showing me the way. I will keep worshiping them. For me they are my god. I haven't seen Durga, Sai Baba, Ram till date, but they are around me in the guise of my parents, teachers and friends and legends like Sachin, Amitabh, Mother Teressa. I will never buy your theory..........

                          

Dayamoyee very well described. Keep such good postings.

"Gamayo Tamassa, Tamasso Manassa, Manasso Jyothirgamaya" sorry if the sanskrit words are mispelt, this means those who understand the 14 dimensions of the cosmos is in directions towards truth or is truth. Probably some of these dimensions contain the 7 chakras too. Like the crown chakra, the throat chakra and the sacral chakra.
Then this is Indian consciousness. One who really need an economy that need to function in inclusive manner should follow something with much lesser dimensions like science. A study of the human conscious development for the past 3000 years will be helpful. 
Studying Indian consciousness is useful in the sense it let you get hold of something science cannot get hold off then that is future directions of science. What about the present. One need to live, one need to answer the questions of JS Mill, what can man do? or Kreikjards question to Hegel what is man? 
The answer flows in the ways of science of Laizez Fairez welfare free market economics.

Advaita, being followed by many Hindus means a-dvaita (there is no second person) That means you and god are not separate. Both are same. God lives within you or for that matter within anybody - be it a school going child or rickshaw puller or an employee or the PM of a country. According to this, discrimination against a particular caste, religion or creed is not allowed - since god lives within everybody. A simple rule misinterpreted by many.

Dear Tanmay, 
You may get answer from this speech of MahaManas :–
“We love moon –we love flower, we love more many things, but love– devotion without true knowledge is nothing but ‘Maya’ (illusion). After knowing the moon or flower in its own reality– if you love it, this will be true love. Do you love flower considering it as a sex organ of the tree? “ –MahaManas 

I don't seem to understand. Please elaborate. How does it matter? Realization of God through self-realization is only a way. Why should we question a way if the goal is to understand the presence of Pure and Perfect Love, Happiness, Hope and Faith as Almighty. I also think God is only as far as your brain can think Him to be. If one are complex, one conceives Him in Complex avatar but if one are simple, He is as simple as one's Mother.

Excellent words dear i fully agree specially the British education system did this in India where self realization was motto not god realization ,it has historic proof as Lord Macalay in speech to British parliament has disclosed this as only means to control Indians .  

thank you daya

Words of MahaManas