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Topic : PROFESSIONALISM & PASSION
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How important is passion as a success factor?

Some people believe it’s the single most important factor, painting passion as the fuel that drives success.

I disagree.

Passion is simply an emotional state, and a temporary and unstable one at that. The reason passion gets so much credit is that it helps motivate action. And action is what generates results.

Look at it this way:
P = Passion
A = Action
R = Results

Given:
P causes A
A causes R

Conclusions:

P causes R
No problem there. That’s logically correct.

R requires P
Nope. You can’t infer this to be true from the givens.

But what if you also know this:
S causes A
S is not P

Now you can say that the statement “R requires P” is definitely false.

S = Self-Discipline

Are you dizzy yet? Here’s what I’m saying in English:
- Results come from actions (no action, no results)
- Passion can lead to action and therefore generate results
- Self-discipline can also lead to action and therefore generate results
- So passion is NOT required for results

Passion is nonessential for success.

Which is better though: passion or self-discipline? I’ll argue that self-discipline is the better fuel.

Like any emotional state, passion waxes and wanes. Sometimes you’re highly motivated. Sometimes you aren’t. Passion has its peaks and valleys, so if you base your actions on your level of passion, your results will depend on your emotions. Feeling passionate? Great actions, great results. Feeling dispassionate? Weak actions, mediocre results.

Using passion as your only fuel will no more assure you of success than being in love will ensure a successful long-term relationship.

Self-discipline is far more important than passion, especially in business. In fact, if you develop the quality of self-discipline to a high degree, it will put passion to shame.

Self-discipline allows you take action and therefore get results no matter what your emotional state. Where passion is erratic, self-discipline provides steadiness and stability. And because your emotions aren’t in the way, your decisions are more likely to succeed because they’ll be made from a state of disciplined intellect rather than from emotional peaks and valleys.

Which would you bet on if your life depended on it?

If you wereto undergo open heart surgery, would you want a disciplined, dispassionate surgeon or an undisciplined, passionate one?
If you were being tried for murder, would you want a disciplined, dispassionate defense team or a an undisciplined, passionate one?
If you were flying in the Space Shuttle, would you want the ground controllers to be disciplined and dispassionate or undisciplined and passionate?

Passion is great, but it’s icing. It needs self-discipline to back it up.

Self-discipline is quieter though. Passion gets more attention these days becuase it makes more noise.

 Top Comment : Jitendra Singh   | 07 09 2009 11:48:18 +0000
Wah, wah !! Self discipline is the key to success. Passion is a tonic to drive for results.
 
18 comments on "Passion Vs. Self Discipline"
  Commented by  sandesh saboo, Research Associate/Analyst, saboo associates    | 08 02 2009 13:51:41 +0000
passion and displine hey what s that all about...i do what i want..the way i want.why take effort to succeed..what would you gain out of success..ego satifaction..i am successful..i can write better,i am disciplined..i have got results..so much of i in that..passionatley i...disciplined in applying i in all things that i do.

chadoa dost enjoy life...keep it simple...do not complicate ..do not waste your energy in doing so many thing in a proper fashion..kaabhi jindaagi koa jee kaee dekhoa..daar daar kee jeena bhi koi jeena hai dost..

dil mai ek hi khaab hoa mujhee jeetnaa hai..toa kitnaa maar maar kai jeena padtaa hai..har pal ek ichaa koa maarongee..har pal sonch kai chalongee..har pal darongee...har par analysis karongee..sonchongee..kabh jeeoaegee...kabh enjoy karongee..dil sai jeeoaa...say no to all non sensical discipline in life...haad kar di yaar ..discipline,discipline,discipline, buss yaaar abb bhut hoa gayaa..
  Commented by  Vikas G. Chaudhari, Sr. Design Engineer, Engineering Firm    | 07 25 2009 14:08:40 +0000
Uptil now I was passionate but was lacking self discipline !!
Thank you for revealing success secret !!
Yes Mr. Bhave it was certainly harsh and if I had to point any such thing out to anyone on such a vast forum, I would have taken it up personally with that person offline first, the reason being that I would have loved to hear the person out before jumping to a conclusion and pointing out things to him or her in public. That saves humiliation to both; the pointer and the one to whom it is being pointed out. I actually tried to send you a personal message but just could not do it and hence I am bringing this up here. I hate to hurt anyone or humiliate anyone. We are all humans and to err is human!! I hope you will not repeat this in future. 

I would like to sincerely extend my apologies to all the people in this forum for bringing this up in front of anyone. I have no intentions to hurt or humiliate anyone here including Mr. Bhave but I certainly want to make sure that such things are not repeated in future with anyone. 

My sincere apologies once again to everyone if I have hurt anyone!!
  Commented by  Makrand Bhave, Sales Promotion Manager, XYZ    | 07 15 2009 11:12:30 +0000
Alka, you are welcome. Sorry if that was harsh, but you have a certain discipline in what you say and write. We have come to expect that every time. My comment should be read more as a surprise than anything else because of the standards that you have set got yourself!!
Its a pleasure reading you. 
  Commented by  Vivek Singh, Construction Manager L&T    | 07 15 2009 07:04:59 +0000
Good one
Mr. Bhave, thanks for pointing out the source of the article. I am not a great writer nor a philosopher and obviously this article is not my own. I was not aware of the source as I had received this article in my in-box sometime back and felt like sharing with people on toostep so posted it here. I have earlier posted topics where I have either quoted the source url or have quoted the name of the writer.... 

 
  Commented by  Makrand Bhave, Sales Promotion Manager, XYZ    | 07 14 2009 16:03:23 +0000
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http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/05/passion-vs-self-discipline/

Thats where this article has been pulled out from!! Verbatim... and no acknowledgement at all?? That is sad! At least acknowledge where the article comes from please!! have you written it to argue on it?? I am appalled!!
Very well argued Usha. I cannot disagree with what you have argued!!
  Commented by  varsha, technical manager(QMS)    | 07 12 2009 05:57:22 +0000
both are driving force  for success...

well said mr Jitendra
  Commented by  sumitra dutta, Consultant, Keane    | 07 11 2009 05:36:30 +0000
I think both are equally important as passion gives the fuel but self discipline leads the way to reach the result.Thus they are complimentary to each other.
  Commented by  Dinesh Raghav, Project Lead, Eli Research    | 07 10 2009 10:41:03 +0000
Good
  Commented by  S Usha, Sr. Manager HR    | 07 10 2009 09:15:05 +0000
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Passion will make you participate to run the marathon, but only self-discipline can get you to the finish line.

Great debate Alka, but I beg to differ on the all or nothing defense for self-discipline. It somewhat paints the picture that the consistently highly successful person displays little passion for what he/she does.

I see passion and self-discipline as a mutually dependent state to get to a result. One can’t do without the other 

Self-discipline is simply a means and not the end itself. One does not pursue self-discipline simply for the sake of being self-discipline unless one is passionate about being the most effective and efficient(the goal i.e. the passion).

Every wo/man who changed the world, had a passion for his/her mission. Be it Mother Theresia or Che Guevara, Bill Gates or Jesus, Alexander or Martin Luther. I think great passion can create the necessary self-discipline.

  Commented by  Sudeep Tarafdar, Senior Consultant, IBM    | 07 10 2009 08:25:35 +0000
Thanks for the referral Alka....nice post
  Commented by  yogendra singh chauhan, QA&QC-Executive D & Sawoe    | 07 10 2009 07:14:32 +0000
Self discipline, passion, aggression, confidence, hard work, etc..... etc.....all are complementary....
  Commented by  Viktor Stephen, COO, Business Mashup/Partner Get.Next.Job    | 07 09 2009 16:24:37 +0000
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That's a lot of concocted logic. 

"With out passion you dont have energy, with out energy you have nothing."
— Donald Trump

Without passion there can be no self-discipline. 
  Commented by  Devi Kaladeen, Audit Manager, Health Sector Development Unit    | 07 09 2009 13:53:54 +0000
Thanks for the referral. Nice post.
  Commented by  Jitendra Singh, SBU/Profit Center Head ETA Dubai    | 07 09 2009 11:48:18 +0000
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Wah, wah !!
Self discipline is the key to success.
Passion is a tonic to drive for results.
Nice Insight !!
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