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Topic : Honour Killings - Shame Or Pride??
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Are We Really Safe In This Selfish & Mean Minded Society........Is the Existence & Idendity Of Women On The Verge Of Being Extinct!!

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Hundreds, if not thousands, of women are murdered by their families each year in the name of family "honor." It's difficult to get precise numbers on the phenomenon of honor killing; the murders frequently go unreported, the perpetrators unpunished, and the concept of family honor justifies the act in the eyes of some societies.

Most honor killings occur in countries where the concept of women as a vessel of the family reputation predominates, said Marsha Freemen, director of International Women's Rights Action Watch at the Hubert Humphrey Institute of Public Affairs at the University of Minnesota.

Reports submitted to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights show that honor killings have occurred in Bangladesh, Great Britain, Brazil, Ecuador, Egypt, India, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Pakistan, Morocco, Sweden, Turkey, and Uganda. In countries not submitting reports to the UN, the practice was condoned under the rule of the fundamentalist Taliban government in Afghanistan, and has been reported in Iraq and Iran.

But while honor killings have elicited considerable attention and outrage, human rights activists argue that they should be regarded as part of a much larger problem of violence against women.

In India, for example, more than 5,000 brides die annually because their dowries are considered insufficient, according to the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF). Crimes of passion, which are treated extremely leniently in Latin America, are the same thing with a different name, some rights advocates say.

 

Women as Property

There is nothing in the Koran, the book of basic Islamic teachings, that permits or sanctions honor killings. However, the view of women as property with no rights of their own is deeply rooted in Islamic culture, Tahira Shahid Khan, a professor specializing in women's issues at the Aga Khan University in Pakistan, wrote in Chained to Custom, a review of honor killings published in 1999.

"Women are considered the property of the males in their family irrespective of their class, ethnic, or religious group. The owner of the property has the right to decide its fate. The concept of ownership has turned women into a commodity which can be exchanged, bought and sold." Honor killings are perpetrated for a wide range of offenses. Marital infidelity, pre-marital sex, flirting, or even failing to serve a meal on time can all be perceived as impugning the family honor.

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Even victims of rape are vulnerable. In a widely reported case in March of 1999, a 16-year-old mentally retarded girl who was raped in the Northwest Frontier province of Pakistan was turned over to her tribe's judicial council. Even though the crime was reported to the police and the perpetrator was arrested, the Pathan tribesmen decided that she had brought shame to her tribe and she was killed in front of a tribal gathering.

The teenage brothers of victims are frequently directed to commit the murder because, as minors, they would be subject to considerably lighter sentencing if there is legal action. Typically, they would serve only three months to a year.


In the Name of Family Honor 

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Officials often claim that nothing can be done to halt the practice because the concept of women's rights is not culturally relevant to deeply patriarchal societies.

"Politicians frequently argue that these things are occurring among uneducated, illiterate people whose attitudes can't be changed," said Brown. "We see it more as a matter of political will."

The story of Samia Imran is one of the most widely cited cases used to illustrate the vulnerability of women in a culture that turns a blind eye to such practices. The case's high profile no doubt arises from the fact that the murder took place in broad daylight, was abetted by the victim's mother, who was a doctor, and occurred in the office of Asma Jahangir, a prominent Pakistani lawyer and the UN reporter on extrajudicial, summary, or arbitrary executions.

In April 1999 Imran, a 28-year-old married woman seeking a divorce from her violent husband after 10 years of marriage, reluctantly agreed to meet her mother in a lawyers' office in Lahore, Pakistan. Imran's family opposed the divorce and considered her seeking a divorce to be shaming to the family's honor. Her mother arrived at the lawyer's office with a male companion, who immediately shot and killed Imran.

Imran's father, who was president of the Chamber of Commerce in Peshawar, filed a complaint with the police accusing the lawyers of the abduction and murder of Imran. The local clergy issued fatwas (religious rulings) against both women and money was promised to anyone who killed them.

The Peshawar High Court eventually threw out the father's suit. No one was ever arrested for Imran's death.

Imran's case received a great deal of publicity, but frequently honor killings are virtually ignored by community members. "In many cases, the women are buried in unmarked graves and all records of their existence are wiped out," said Brown.

 

Before raising their hands on women the society should think that they are created from a women; if she will die then one day this world will lose its existence.........

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Top Comment : amit thapliyal   | 05 07 2010 12:34:29 +0000
No killing, for honor or not is justified..Honour killing is just another serious crime against humanity , bred in a society of illiteracy,tyranny and misplaced interests..Its sad to see so may such cases go unpunished in the rural Indian society or in the backlands of Afghanisatan..apparently education has not been able to rid us of the malaise..i wonder when any action will be taken but it has to happen soon..its not just about redemption,its about justice
 
42 comments on "Thousands of Women Killed for Family "Honour" - Is it Justified????"
  Commented by  Jaygopal Raghavan, Marketing Manager, Landmark Group    | 07 27 2010 17:49:57 +0000
Obviously it is a shame as no killing can be a matter of pride - honour or otherwise. Only the demented and uneducated will take recourse to such measures. Demented because a lot of educated people themselves are a party to such an act. These dont have a place in civilised society and at best can be prevented by doing the same thing to the perpetrators family. Kill the husband/wife or child of the mother or father who commits such an act publicly. Only then will it serve as an example to society.
  Commented by  Mohammad Harun, H.R.EXECUTIVE, HDPL    | 07 04 2010 07:24:41 +0000
U may think dat m levng d track bt plz thnk on it.
basicly v r 4gtng our culture coz it is d bst in d world & it says dat v shud follow our religion whch v r ignoring nw a dez.
If start following d same women will get der honour bck as evry religion insist & respect d honour of women.
So in short v INDIANS must chnge our mind dat adopying new culture is a need of time.
Our sucess is hidden in our past.
  Commented by  nitesh yadav, Senior Engineer, FIBCOM India Limited    | 07 04 2010 06:19:40 +0000
killing is not a solution to this problem, and it can not be justified in any way, but at the same time, marrying or eloping with someone from their own caste or gotra is also not justified. a gotra is a very small community within the caste. the youngsters can carefully choose their partners, so as everybdy remain happy....and these gotras are very sacred thing to these 2-3 states in north india...many people are commenting just on the basis of what they read in newspapers, but ground reality is something else, but whatever it is,,killing is not justified...but boycotting that family from the community is very much justified,,,,
  Commented by  Manoj Kumar, Sr: Manager - QA, ARCHETYPE GROUP, INDIA    | 06 19 2010 04:39:06 +0000
Time and again this topic becomes imoprtant, I dont think any one will say it is justified. I think most of the case are in and around delhi. All should be considered to be a murder. But who is there to take action. Delhi High court in a way blasted and humiliated the police system for the way in hanling the these. 

Thanks Ravali for initiating........
  Commented by  NATTERAJA R. ARIKRISHNAN, Area Sales Manager, HPL INDIA LTD, CHENNAI    | 06 06 2010 12:30:49 +0000
Thanks for the referral Ms.Ravali
Honour killing is not acceptable and can not be justified. The affenders should be seriously dealt with iron hand. 
  Commented by  Moparthi Sai Ramya Sree, Sotware Developer, Vignan University    | 06 02 2010 03:58:17 +0000
Rating : +1 
thank you ravali . . writing your views on this is really appreciative. .today women are playing predominantly a great role in every field. . but in some societies which are traditional and not educated so far like tribes killing women for the sake of honor is going. It is really a sad thing. and government must provide awareness campaigns and strict laws must be made regarding the women protection
  Commented by  zubair irshad, Senior Projects Manager, IMECO WLL    | 06 02 2010 03:47:25 +0000
No it cant be justified.
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Killing is killing. it can't be justified at all. we should provide more and more education to our people, but the mindset of such a big and old society can't be changed overnight. in any condition killing should not be allowed.
  Commented by  puneet kaushik, Operations Manager, HDFC BANK LTD.    | 05 24 2010 16:44:04 +0000
not justified. no humanity in such cases.
  Commented by  J.Vinoth, Sr. Associate , M/s. Muthumani Doraisami & Co.    | 05 18 2010 09:27:20 +0000
Rating : +1 
A muredr is a murder & nothing else. But as a matter of fact one has to also consider that it's not only the women but men too are equally undergoing the trauma of honour killings. It's just the caste & money which give birth to all these incidents.If one has to irradicate the honour killings from the society it can't be achieved untill the abolition of the castes. 
  Commented by  SHRIKANT MANOHAR DANKE, PROJECT MANAGER, UNITY TELECOM INFRASTRUCTURE LTD.    | 05 17 2010 09:34:10 +0000
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It is not justified at all.
Everyone should keep in mind that he/she is in this world due to his/her mother who is woman first.So one should give honor/respect to woman.It is happened due to cast system, lack of social awareness etc....& clashes for superiority.
A special fast track law should made to avoid such type of killing.

  
  Commented by  arvind kashyap, Freelancer, Freelancer    | 05 15 2010 15:28:34 +0000
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IT SHOULD BE REMBERED THAT THERE WAS A TRIBE OF THUGS IN INDIA. THUGS EARNED THEIR LIVELIHOOD BY KILLING AND ROBBING PEOPLE WHICH THEY CONSIDERED PROPER. THEY HAD GREAT SKILL IN KILLING THEIR SOFT TARGETS BY STRANGULATING. LORD CLIVE WHEN FAILED TO CHECK THEIR CRIME HE DEVISED A METHOD. THE THUGS IF WERE CAUGHT, THEY WERE KILLED, THEIR FAMILIES WERE ENSLAVED. FINALLY THE CRIME WAS CHECKED.
TODAY THOSE MEDIVIAL LAWS CANNOT BE APPLIED BUT THE PROBLEM OF HONOUR KILLING CANNOT BE CHECKED BY THE SOFT LAWS OF INDIA. SADLY THE INDIAN MALE FINDS NO SHAME IN PHYSICALLY OVERPOWERING THE WEAKER SEX AND EXERTING HIS FALSE SUPERMACY OVER HER.   
HONOUR KILLINGS ARE SHAME ON INDIAN SOCIETY. HINDUISM IS AGAINST ANY KIND OF VIOLENCE. IT IS SAD THAT THESE KILLINGS ARE PROMINENTLY TAKING PLACE IN THE NORTH INDIA. IT HAS ITS GENESIS IN THE FACT THAT THE COMMUNITIES PRACITISING IT ARE THOSE WHO SUFFER FROM IDENTITY CRISES. THEY WANT TO EXERT THEIR EXISTANCE AND THEY FIND THEIR WOMEN FOLK EASY TARGET. THESE COMMUNITIES DO NOT HAVE ANY THING TO BOAST OF THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS AND FIND SOLACE IN KILLING HELPLESS WOMEN. THEY THINK IT TO BE AN ACHIEVEMENT AND ACT OF BRAVERY.
THE SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM DOES NOT LIE IN INDIAN LAW. THERE HAS TO BE FRESH ENACTMENT WHERE THOSE PRACTISING THIS MUST BE EXECUTED. THEREAFTER EDUCATION CAN BE MADE A TOOL.. BUT SADLY THOSE PRACTISING IT DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO EDUCATION AND IT HAS DONE LITTLE TO MOULD THEIR PSYCHOLOY.

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  Commented by  kalpeshchavhan, Relationship Manager, INDIAPROPERTY.COM    | 05 14 2010 10:23:47 +0000
Mo where One can justified killing on any ground & in hindu soc. where cruelty against any living creture is sin, how one can kill a person on any ground. its just a mindless violance & not atall acceptable.
  Commented by  Mayukh Mukherjee, AV Editor, MCCS    | 05 11 2010 11:30:44 +0000
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Killings can't be justified anyway...and honor(???) killing is just another curse of the age old problem of caste-ism in the traditional Indian society. If we can't address and solve these problems, then we should not allow us to call ourselves a "democratic" country, where "rule of law" prevails to protect the "humanity" and "justice".
  Commented by  Yogesh Naik, Lawyer/Attorney, Law Chambers, Karwar    | 05 11 2010 11:27:46 +0000
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No Women - No family. We should realise this before its too late. 

First they practised female foeticide/infanticide, and now they say the girls should not marry out of the Caste cos there are no girls left in the Caste for marrying.. and also so many boys and their families loose out on the Dowry that is brought by the girls thru an Arranged marriage... 

Guess we have been dragging with us some people from the Stone-age.. We need to drop them out of our lives.
  Commented by  Nikhil, Senior Manager, Insurance    | 05 10 2010 13:44:50 +0000
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People who kill women for honour killing need to be hanged to death killing a women is biggest dishonour of a women in a family
  Commented by  Keat chhabra, Freelancer, Management & Strategy Consulting    | 05 10 2010 07:25:50 +0000
Rating : +2 
yes society is not made of good people only...we are still living in uncivilized society....not only this see the terrorism act in various parts of the world and killing of animals......this is all human psychology.......and women also being a weak part.....in their eyes...they are natural vicitms.
  Commented by  ANSARI ZIAUR RAHMAN, Direct Marketing Executive, FEDRATION OF UNIVERSITIES    | 05 10 2010 07:13:58 +0000
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Every community has their rules which they have to follow.They know very well it is wrong but still they are following as blind people.So it depends on understanding between the people to follow or not or is it good or bad.Now the time to get educate them from their own religious studies because that is the only way to tell them it is wrong.
  Commented by  Krishna Bhardwaj, Lyrics Writer, Freelancer    | 05 10 2010 06:45:11 +0000
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Not at all. This is due to their ill mentality. They are surrounded by the so called sabhya samajh who force them to do so. New generation does not believe in this or if there, only few are there who believes in this rotten system.Lack of education and proper coordination can be blamed for this evil.
  Commented by  Ghulam Jeelani, Network Admin/System Admin, JIK Industries Limited    | 05 10 2010 05:57:54 +0000
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it is happening under pressure of poorness 
  Commented by  SidharthaKasiraju, Business Analyst, support executive, SG Technologies    | 05 10 2010 05:17:17 +0000
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This is a sick practice which can be stopped by educating illeterate people and bringing awareness. 
  Commented by  Devi Kaladeen, Audit Manager, Health Sector Development Unit    | 05 10 2010 02:48:11 +0000
Rating : +3 
I am totally against this honour killing. This kind of killings don't happen in my country. However, from time to time you will read news of women being murdered by their husbands and when you get down to the bottom of the story, it is always a case of the woman tolerating an abusive marriage/relationships for many years. My believe is that the women stay in such relationships for two reasons(1) they cannot do better and ashamed to return to their parents home and (2) till death do us part( and they part when the husband murder them).    
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THERE IS NO HONOUR IN KILLING. IT COMES IN PLAIN CASE OF MURDER. SUCH INSTANCES SHOULD BE SEVERELY PUNISHED. THE BITTER MEDICINE OF HARSH PUNISHMENT ALONG WITH PREVENTIVE MEASURES OF EDUCATION AMONG WOMEN, EDUCATION IN RURAL AREAS AND SOCIAL AWARENESS IS A MUST TO TAKE AWAY HONOUR FROM KILLING
  Commented by  domenico fama, HR Head, Nokia Siemens Networks    | 05 09 2010 08:39:08 +0000
Rating : +2 
No honor at all in killing!
  Commented by  Badri N Srinivasan, Head - Quality, Valtech India Systems Pvt. Ltd.    | 05 08 2010 16:21:56 +0000
Rating : +3 
Honor Killing is not justified. No person has the right to kill another person for any cause and the judiciary should impartially decide the outcome based on the facts and evidence..........
  Commented by  Abhijeet Ghosh, Process Associate, Genpact    | 05 08 2010 14:03:00 +0000
Rating : +2 
Killing any living creature is injustified. No one has the right to kill anybody, however it may be the case of family honor.

The people involved in any of this kind of practice should be abolished from this society.
  Commented by  Kartheka, HR Manager, Celer Soft Services    | 05 08 2010 06:48:06 +0000
Rating : +3 
People involved in honor killing should be punished severely. 
  Commented by  muzaffer, Merchandiser, F&L Enterprises    | 05 08 2010 06:10:37 +0000
this is the time of tit for tat
  Commented by  Ashok Kumar Sharma, AVP Export, Indoworth India Limited    | 05 08 2010 05:51:12 +0000
Rating : +3 
Honor Killing is sign of sick minded society / people. It sholud be condemned strongly and the responsibe persons should be punish as harshly as a hard core criminal.
  Commented by  Krishna Murty, CONSULTANT ON BUILDINGS, IRRGATION PROJECTS, CIVIL ENGINEER    | 05 08 2010 05:29:47 +0000
Rating : +2 
NO NOT AT ALL.  INFACT NONE IS JUSTIFIED  TO KILL ANY HUMAN BEING INCLUDING ANIMALS    
  Commented by  Ramesh Babu, Head/VP/GM- Purchase/Material Mgmt Retired    | 05 08 2010 05:15:46 +0000
Rating : +3 
No killing is ever justified. Even killing animals is a shame. However, the reason for honor killings is the wrong ideas inculcated by the society and religion, which takes upon itself the job of dictating what is right and what is wrong.And the Leader of this Society or Religion sets the standards. For example with a leader like Hitler, killing Jews was proper and good for Germany. And in the minds of the ignorant, weak minded and gullible , the pronouncements of these leaders are the ultimate . So the need of the hour is to get rid of these "barbaric " leaders. And this would be possible only through education and growth of a society intolerant to stupid traditions and superstitions. Sati was one of this traditions in India. Thank god we are rid of it. Similarly other ghastly traditions need to be weeded out. Unfortunately it cannoy be done overnight.
More importantly thank god for the Media and Communications that we are made aware of such barbaric acts. And such awareness will ultimately help to root out wrong practices. As in every case sacrifices have to be made by some unfortunates. 
  Commented by  kiran girisagar, OMC Enggr, Idea client    | 05 08 2010 01:54:18 +0000
Rating : +2 
Not really n not fake also. definatly its going to kill humanity in my veiwe
  Commented by  Niladhwaj Bhattacharya, Marketing Engineer, KFB Group of Companies, Saudi Arabia    | 05 07 2010 18:23:38 +0000
Rating : -2 
It's not 100% true. There are a lot of husbands (man) who are mentally tortured by their woman. There a lot of true facts where we see woman kills their husband. 
If any one merry a woman without asking any goods, then the girls family always cheated the BOY. 
Also Indian rules are not in favour of male. Where we find superiority of woman. "WOMAN IS RIGHT" why? My request to you to find out the stories from man side. I find a lot of facts that woman marries only to receive money from her husband after DIVORCE. Why? 

Write few words in favour of man. Also Govt. have to change the rules, also modify rules neutrally, to prove that man and woman are the two sides of a coin...
Regards
  Commented by  Prasad PN, Consultant, Trainer    | 05 07 2010 18:19:14 +0000
Rating : +1 
In deep south TN it is boys who are killed and the girls rescued!! There the girls are denied higher education as it is feared they may fall in love with other caste boys.
  Commented by  Sachin Kumar, Legal Advisor, Allahabad High Court    | 05 07 2010 17:36:59 +0000
Thanks for this, Raveli.
  Commented by  sunil ghodke, Construction-Residential, TDL    | 05 07 2010 16:42:22 +0000
Rating : +3 
Hi Dear Ravali,
              I am extremely sorry to say that this world is not at all suitable for WOMANS! Womans are born as slaves and will die as slaves unless and until they gain the RULING POWER.A single woman is never been considered in this ruthless world. She is always dominated by mans by all means.
              Honour killing is done by the narrow and worst minded families who always think that their CASTE, RELIGION is ultimate! These families are just WORMS in this BEAUTIFUL WORLD, but I am again sorry to say that the strength of these type of worms is so higher than the real people who honors human rights of every mankind.If the woman is not even safe from their parents, on whom she can trust? 
  Commented by  Santosh Kumar Mohanty, Civil Engineer-Municipal, Sambalpur University    | 05 07 2010 15:45:11 +0000
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Is this world like this? Suffering is must either mentally, physically, or even geographically! How we can save people from this kind of sufferings? I think the people of the society or the nation, which is not affected, should come out to influence by any means the Governments and its people of affected countries to stop the horrible crime against women. The citizen of modern society should feel honour in extending helping hand to eradicate the concept of honour killing from the mind of the families and making law very stringent against such crime. They must be given clear understanding that such activities may spoil their own society and civilization.
  Commented by  Arun, Business Analyst, Infrasoft Technologies Limited    | 05 07 2010 15:15:40 +0000
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Killing for Honour is not at all justified. By killing your loved ones and going to the prison what honour of the family are you preserving?? It is a serious crime and should be severely punished.

But from your topic it appears as if only the women are being killed for honour. In most of the instances even the boy or groom is killed in the name of preserving the honour. I know of numerous instances where this crime is instigated by women itself. In the sense i mean that there are instances where the elderly ladies of the house instigate such crimes. Why, even in the latest case, the main suspect is the mother of the victim. So it is not just a crime against women. 

Add to it the fact that almost all of these perpetrators are educated, but still believe in the superiority of class and creed. 
  Commented by  Amar, HOD-HR/IT/Admn, Dangas Biotech Pvt. Ltd.    | 05 07 2010 13:55:56 +0000
Rating : -3 
Yes it is right.... not only women; everyone-gals, boys, male everyone should be killed, not for family honour, it is a matter of humanity honour... tell me have u seen a new born baby in a society dust bin... dogs, cats are fighting to their BREAK FAST... think... in the race of being well educated, modern and high society, how many unmarried girls went for Abortion, and through the baby in dust bin.... this is a black spot of the human society... and it is a good step to kill such person who involved in such activity.... so many things we have to discuss but here it is not possible to write more....
  Commented by  M. Prabhakar Rao, Chief Executive, GreenTek Indika    | 05 07 2010 13:50:17 +0000
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First and foremost, there is no honour in killing anybody, whatever be the provocation, as it is the relic of the barbaric societies.

It is a fact that a handful of certain retrograde communities, still unable to cope up with the modern-day mores resorting to the heinous killings of women and some men along with them, some times - in the name of the so-called honour killings.  

Thankfully, such killings are practiced only by a few easily identifiable communities with clannish mind-set yet believing in the tribal norms.
  Commented by  HEMANT VERMA, Marketing and Branding, NAVNEET PUBLICATION INDIA LTD.    | 05 07 2010 12:50:37 +0000
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LETS RAISE VOICE AGAINST THIS AND STOP THIS WITHOUT ANY DEBATE
  Commented by  amit thapliyal, Marketing & Strategy, Stealth Mode Division of an IT Major    | 05 07 2010 12:34:29 +0000
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No killing, for honor or not is justified..Honour killing is just another serious crime against humanity , bred in a society of illiteracy,tyranny and misplaced interests..Its sad to see so may such cases go unpunished in the rural Indian society or in the backlands of Afghanisatan..apparently education has not been able to rid us of the malaise..i wonder when any action will be taken but it has to happen soon..its not just about redemption,its about justice
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