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Activity: Question posted: 08 11 2009 08:34:08 +0000, 9 answers, 121 views, last activity 07 06 2010 20:18:08 +0000
 
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historical cost,revaluation,mergers,demergers,restructuring,buy back.issuing capital at premium.all have come in the last few years and made ratio analysis a use less tool.

EPS can be easily manupulated.hence price earnings ratio.

debts have been converted in to equity at all most will.and equity bought back .this has left a huge vaccum in ratio analysis. hence debt equity ratios are manipulated.

issue of equity at premium simulataniuos write off of reserves.

merger at historical cost.

mergers of huge assest at a very small addition in equity reseults in a distorted picture of earning quality of ratios.

if you are new to this field and going by just ratios you would be doing a great mistake.

companies which have stoped there working for a few years all the ratios are distorted,and the assest in the books are shown at historical price.you would not know the hidden cost.or hidden reserves.

 

 
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Ratio's of the company can be manipulated this is not a correct question if you have notice the biggest comapny froad "Satyam" the software company it has done the complet manipulation of its account and the froad when it has come out. There are many such example in India and abroad of manipulation of ratio's and froad if you want the just go to the google and type froad company cases you will get thousands of company cases.



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  Answered by     Prakash Khairnar, Sr. Associate, DSP Merrill Lynch  | 08 28 2009 15:09:59 +0000
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Of course it can be calculated Sandesh sir, by calculating the historical costs and different kinds of valuation of assets like LIFO and FIFO, organisation rtios can be manipulated.

  Answer modified by     Padmanabhan R, Articled / Audit assistant, Finance student  | 08 28 2009 13:53:55 +0000
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Yes Sandesh sir,

it’s the company or accountants. Regarding auditors I think, there can be fraud due to teeming up and some of the icai members were punished for this. Also the auditor can be held liable if he is proven to have not exercised professional expertise and due diligence.

And sometimes by the particular nature of the industry work of auditors become more challenging. For example in the case of satyam itself, dealing with computer software (intangible and technical knowledge) auditing of work in progress, goods in transit, finished products etc are very demanding and usually they can only look for some supporting documents or corroborative evidence. Also auditors are usually at a disadvantage when it comes to fraud by top management and teeming and lading fraud.

I think we should give more thrust to forensic accounting, internal control and better laws to prevent and curb corporate fraud. Recently an article comparing our judiciary system to us’s,  Bernard Madoff who was arrested in last December for cheating investors sentenced to 150 years within 6 months  while in the case our former satyam CEO who was also arrested in last December the trial is yet to begin.

  Answered by     Mathew Cherian, Research Associate/Analyst, Western Michigan University  | 08 28 2009 13:51:54 +0000
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The use of ratios is not only for investments but it is also used by Financial controllers to set the targets for different accounts. If they manipulate these ratios then what they do at the control level will be deviant.

  Answered by     sandesh saboo, Research Associate/Analyst, saboo associates  | 08 28 2009 12:38:01 +0000
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it is no th e auditors who does the accounting .yaa at times they may be consultanst to such acts.it is the management of th ecompany which prepares the accounts the auditors audit it and vouch it to the best of there knowledge to the correctness and the guidelines of institue of chartered accountant is followed.

infact a auditor is a agent of the state.he is appointed because the law requires him to audit the accounts and give his observation s required by the institue and various statutes.

  Answered by     Padmanabhan R, Articled / Audit assistant, Finance student  | 08 11 2009 17:31:15 +0000
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I also agree with what Darshil sir said, they can be easily manipulated in the short run using opportunistic accounting

Accounting policies and practices affect financial ratios. They are based on historic costs and can be misleading during inflation and change in methods of valuation of assets (lifo, fifo),depreciation, classification into current and noncurrent, accounting period used, capitalization of expenditure etc can affect.

  Answered by     Jyoti Rath, Sr. Associate, Barclays  | 08 11 2009 13:31:52 +0000
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Yes, Darshil is right. Auditors can easily manipulate the ratios of companies.

  Answered by     SB DIKSHIT, STATE QUALITY MONITOR, U.P.R.R.D.A  | 08 11 2009 11:14:11 +0000
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I agree with dear Darshil's answer and example of satyam is also timely which leaves nothing to argue.

  Answered by     Darshil , CEO/MD/Director, Darshil Cotton Company  | 08 11 2009 10:14:52 +0000
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Ratio's of the companies can be easily manipulated by the auditors and the companies. As raios are not to be manipulated the inputs of the ratios are to be manipulated by window dressing of the balance sheet items.

As in the case of Satyam the ratios reflected as one of the best bets in the I.T. industry and even the analysts used to advice retail investors to invest for long term. But the window dressed balance sheet had a hidden cash reflected which did not exist physically, so the ratios were easily manipulated by the auditors and the comapny.

 
 
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